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Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:08 pm
by Wabash
John Q. Public wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:58 am
Hurley said they didn't have much of a case without first-hand eyewitnesses but NOBODY pressed him on why that was. They blew the opportunity to turn a witness for the defense into one for the prosecution. The guy's own words were in their favor but they didn't take advantage
Someone should have asked what evidence he required in order for him to believe the impeachment bar had been reached. That was never done. Leaving him the ability to keep moving the goal posts. It should have been asked that the White House is obstructing by not handing over documents or witnesses to testify. The claim that it should be decided by the voters at the ballot box should have been noted that the current president is attempting to put his thumb on the scale.

His soundbites of this being the quickest impeachment in history should have been challenged to ask why duration matters......etc.
John Q. Public wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:58 am
But instead talking about the "blistering testimony," people are either falling asleep or chasing the "Barrongate" squirrel. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
The usual faux outrage designed to deflect from that person's very concise and damaging testimony. It's what Trump and his useful idiots do when they are confronted with an intelligent and articulate person.

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:15 pm
by Omar Bongo
There was no military aid withheld

"Withheld" like the subpoenaed documentary evidence, phone records and witness testimony the administration refused to submit to the impeachment investigation?

Puzzling that they would stonewall evidence and testimony that would surely exonerate them and put this whole thing to rest, isn't it?

I guess attempted _____ (murder, rape, robbery, bribery, extortion, fill in the blank) are not crimes, either and any investigations of them are FARCES as well
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...based on compelling evidence of criminal conduct

Rudy's a bit rusty, been shilling for Trump a bit too long no doubt...a little brush up on what "compelling evidence" looks like: we just had two weeks of it in front of the Intelligence Committee...

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:39 am
by John Q. Public
The "Republican" defense in two tweets.


Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:57 pm
by Wabash
I am reading the GOP Impeachment Report. Some contradiction.

Examples:
Page 3

Even examining evidence beyond the presidential phone call shows no quid pro quo, bribery, extortion, or abuse of power. The evidence shows that President Trump holds a deepseated, genuine, and reasonable skepticism of Ukraine due to its history of pervasive corruption.

Page 4

There is also nothing wrong with asking serious questions about the presence of Vice
President Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, on the board of directors of Burisma, a corrupt Ukrainian
company, or about Ukraine’s attempts to influence the 2016 presidential election. Biden’s Burisma has an international reputation as a corrupt company. As far back as 2015, the Obama State Department had concerns about Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board.

Page 6

President Trump has a deep-seated, genuine, and reasonable skepticism of Ukraine due to its history of pervasive corruption.
Sondland testified (multiple times) that Trump wasn't asking for an investigation.. He was asking for an announcement of an investigation. He could care less about what was going on in the Ukraine.

Too bad the snowflakes left this board. Would have loved to read their reasoning.

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:32 am
by Omar Bongo
Abuse of Power: "It is an impeachable offense for the president to exercise the powers of his public office to obtain an improper personal benefit while ignoring or injuring the national interest. That is exactly what president Trump did when he solicited and pressured Ukraine to interfere in our 2020 presidential election." - Chairman Nadler

Obstruction of Congress: "A president who declares himself above accountability, above the American people and above Congress' power of impeachment — which is meant to protect against threats to our democratic institutions — is the president who sees himself as above the law." - Chairman Nadler

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:45 pm
by broman
Manhattan federal prosecutors asked a judge late Wednesday to revoke Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas’ bail package and detain him pending trial. The unexpected move came after Parnas allegedly lied to the government and to his pretrial services officer about the extent of his financial assets and about whether a judge had already approved a change in the conditions of his release. Saying that Parnas’ behavior “strongly suggest a plan or intent to flee,” prosecutors cited a September 2019 deposit of $1 million into a Parnas-linked bank account from a bank account in Russia as an example of financial assets that the Giuliani associate failed to disclose to the government as part of his bail package. Prosecutors alleged that Parnas has “seemingly limitless access to foreign funds,” making him a “flight risk” who needs to be detained immediately.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker ... ncial-fibs

Trumps personal lawyer is running around with this guy funded by limitless access to foreign funds. For me this is always been the core of what ever Trump has done and will do as President. The Russians along with pro Russian Ukrainians told Trump he could make money for his company through government. Manafort, the NRA, Rudy and even people like Franklin Graham were all seduced by Russian oligarchical money.

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:48 am
by Wabash
When Pelosi confronted him she stated in the famous photo that RWNJs claim is an unhinged moment of hers; "why does everything you do lead to Putin?"

And how did the IOTUS respond?

"No one hates ISIS more than I."

His usual deflection tactic when confronted with an unpleasant truth.

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:22 am
by Wabash
Joe Walsh said this on his Twitter account.
Lost in all the noise is the simple fact that to date NO ONE has testified under oath to exculpate the President. NO ONE under oath has said the President didn't do it. NO ONE under oath had defended his behavior. One more time......NO ONE.
The Reps fall back on the same strategy, which is to yell as frequently as possible, as loudly as possible, in hopes nobody will notice they have not described this call with Zelensky as 'a perfect call.' They've not once talked about defending the substance of what the president has been accused of doing.

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:58 pm
by Omar Bongo
Tommy Tar wrote:Bring on the vote!
You asked for it you got it...don't sleep in

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:10 pm
by Omar Bongo
Well, if anybody already didn't know what loudmouth, hypocritical scumbag Matt Gaetz is, he proved it again today.

At a debate ostensibly about his corrupt leader's crimes and lies, Gaetz scurried down the Hunter Biden rabbithole proclaiming “I don’t want to make light of anybody’s substance abuse issues,” as he (the alcohol abuser and convicted drunk driver) proceeded to do just that. *******.

He makes me soooooo glad I'm not a Republican :puke:

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:40 am
by John Q. Public
Also glad I'm not any of them's constituent.

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:14 am
by Omar Bongo
News Report

Trump spent his day Thursday on Twitter, posting 123 times


Pop Quiz

Who was it that said "I'm going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to play golf"

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:11 am
by Wabash
Gotta love Nadler's actions late last night. After hours of GOP histrionics and procedural stalling. Actions that lasted until the wee hours of the night Nadler adjourned.

"It is now very late at night,I want the members on both sides of the aisle to think about what has happened over these last two days, and to search their consciences before we cast their final votes.”

Nadler closed the hearing with the announcement that they would take up the vote at 10 AM and “let history be our judge." Then he left, with Republicans who thought they had safely buried the vote in the literal middle of the night sputtering in his wake.

Even with the hearing officially closed, Collins continued shouting his objections and emerged in the hallway to claim that “this is why” people don’t like Congress. Collins also described the action as a “Kangaroo court.” Because Nadler moved the vote to … where it’s more visible and more public.

These are supposedly adults.

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:43 am
by Omar Bongo
He actually compared Jerry Nadler to Josef Stalin...think about that. People actually voted for this buffoon to represent them. How does he top that tomorrow? Jeffrey Dahmer?

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:25 pm
by John Q. Public

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:53 pm
by Omar Bongo
In a real court of law that would disqualify you in a heartbeat

Thank god he's not a practicing lawyer anymore

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:27 pm
by Omar Bongo
Half of American voters want President Donald Trump impeached and removed from office, according to a poll released Sunday from Fox News that was taken as House Democrats unveiled two articles of impeachment against the President:

Do you think President Trump should be impeached and removed from office, or not?

Yes 50%
No 46%


According to the December (8-11) poll, 53% of voters say Trump abused his power, 48% say he obstructed Congress, and 45% think that he committed bribery. Sixty percent of voters say it is generally wrong for Trump to ask leaders of foreign countries to investigate political rivals.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/15/poli ... index.html

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:58 am
by Wabash
I think McConnell's servitude to Trump may backfire. Reason being that an exoneration, if that’s what emerges by a Senate that is essentially rigged and fixed so that it’s coordinated in this way with the defense, really doesn’t clear the name of the accused so that the president will go down in history as having been essentially found guilty by the House in a proceeding where he had a chance to defend himself but didn’t take advantage of it, and then in a kind of rubber-stamp sort of toss-off, not really given a meaningful trial so that he will have been adjudicated fundamentally by the House of Representatives to have abused his office, abused his oath, and endangered the national security and then blockaded in the inquiry as though he were a dictator.

The majority of Americans already believe he should be removed from office. This will only reinforce it.

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:35 am
by Tommy Tar
I see a Democrat Congressman from New Jersey just changed parties. Welcome to the GOP Congressman Jeff Van Drew.

Re: The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:49 am
by Wabash
Good riddance.