ELECTION 2020

[ventura]

Your post at 9:52a reinforces my point about education level.

sooo....you agree with me about educational indoctrination?

??

what we have here...is a failure to communicate

[ventura]

A friend of mine was on a reality tv show and is now an instagram "influencer." She gets paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to pretend she likes and uses certain products that she doesn't use and never knew existed.

A dishonest way to make a living. Hopefully you've had some productive conversations with her about it.

If Owens is doing what she's doing for money and doesn't hold these stated positions privately, all the more disgusting, and I'd let anyone I know I think that.

[John Q. Public]

I think one of the dem guys on here trotted out a comment alluding to Trump deplorables, ("idiot followers") from the good ol' Hillary days.

"Some people here" (one, actually) think that insulting adversaries is a good way of winning friends and influencing people. I doubt most do, though.

That said, "level of education" actually is meaningful. I saw a post on FB the other day from a friend's brother. He said too many people are starting to accept socialism, so he's taken to calling Biden a communist. It made me realize that Political Science is a college-level class; high school History, Civics and Western Civ are all timelines where the college versions go into the whys and wherefores. Sociology, Anthropology, Philosophy, English 102, Statistics and Market Research are also college level. Once you've taken all of those you forget that many people never did, so when you hear someone calling taxing Big Gulps "Socialism" you call her an idiot rather than understanding that she never learned what socialism actually is and she's just repeating an "insult" she picked up from some guy on the radio. Lower-educated people aren't dumb but they do lack a lot of the knowledge that more educated people have picked up.

Also something about college guys really going for the left at the polls....boy what a shocker.

You'd be surprised. Actually, you can surprise yourself if you only think of all the various schools on a typical university campus. Only a couple would fall into the typical "Liberal" category. If a college graduate is a Liberal it isn't because of something he learned in Engineering, Business, Chemistry or Medical school.

[joefutbol]

no no no no you cherry picked my first paragraph - frustrating

I didn't cherry-pick. I'm saying if someone has no integrity in the first place then I shouldn't be expected to take anything they say seriously. I don't care what Alex Jones thinks about immigration, I don't care what Micahel Avenatti has to say about climate change, and I don't care what Candace Ownes has to say about anything. I've heard all I need to know I can't trust what I hear. Can you give me a good reason why I should listen to any of those people?

I know you are a stats guy but I'm talking about her personal integrity

You only know her name because she appeared on Fox News and made an outrageous claim that she knew was a 100% lie. That's what made her famous. She also sued a school district over an incident that happened outside of school. And lived in a $3,500 a month apartment without paying rent for six months, then sued over a "mold problem" more than a year late. And said Hitler was fine if he was "just trying to make Germany great." And lied about being a victim of leftist bullying around her social media bullying project. And she was CEO of an anti-Trump website just a few months before she went offline and reemerged as a conservative on YouTube. I'm going to stop there. There are enough examples of Owens chasing money and telling lies for me to make my decision.

I do not believe she's sincere. I'm getting the feeling that you think she's sincere because you think the opinion she now has today is right and just, and therefore she must be, as well. If you have a better reason to believe she is trustworthy, then you do you. That's fine and there's nothing wrong with that. But there's a tremendous amount of research and thought that I put into everything I discuss. That doesn't mean everything I say is brilliant or right, but it would be inaccurate to say my opinion is unintellectual or beneath me. Maybe I'm just not an intellectual.

when people attack that without addressing her positions' merit, it's a dishonest exchange

It's also a dishonest exchange when positions are predicated upon dishonesty.

[ventura]

JQP wrote: "You'd be surprised. Actually, you can surprise yourself if you only think of all the various schools on a typical university campus. Only a couple would fall into the typical "Liberal" category. If a college graduate is a Liberal it isn't because of something he learned in Engineering, Business, Chemistry or Medical school."
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@JQP - Yes I did edit my post to include a few fields that haven't been politicized. Though I have heard/read that the medical field is taking on more political tones to go along with their studies.

I really would be interested in an honest statistical analysis of tenured professors at the prestigious campuses, and what their political affiliation is, for the fields outside the sciences. I looked a little bit on line but didn't come up with a link that was clearly apolitical.

The only kid I had that went to a mainstream college (Colorado State) definitely felt like an outlier with her culturally conservative viewpoints. She was an English major.

[joefutbol]

She claims she doesn't remember race being an issue in this country until Obama. She sued her school district for racial bullying... In 2008... When George Bush was president. Thoughts?



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehou ... 240741.php

[Wabash]

sooo....you agree with me about educational indoctrination?

Huh?

You made a comparison of Trump's, Clinton's, Bush Jr.'s, and Obama's military records.


Trump and Clinton actively avoided military service via the deferments that were available. Conservatives referred to one of them as a "draft dodger." Guess which one?

Bush Jr. was able to get a position in the TX National Guard. Something that was not available to every potential draftee. Yet he was lauded for his service during wartime. Ironically his two opponents did go to Vietnam and were both condemned as being unpatriotic.

There was no draft when Obama was 18. But that has not stopped the right from condemning him with all sorts of unpatriotic epithets.

Getting back to my point. The research to do this level of investigation goes beyond the curiosity of high school level academia.

[John Q. Public]

The only kid I had that went to a mainstream college (Colorado State) definitely felt like an outlier with her culturally conservative viewpoints. She was an English major.

English is notoriously Liberal. My first attempt at college, I wanted to take Architecture. I dropped my major when I saw what redneck jerks most of the Engineering students were. I couldn't stomach spending 3+ years with those people.

[Foggy]

There was no draft when Obama was 18.

But he did register with the Selective Service.



Birthers tried to claim it was a forgery or that there was something invalid about it. The Selective Service itself said that was a load of horsecrap. When Shurf Joe Arpiehole tried to claim that, they said:

"This Agency has no evidence that President Obama's 1980 registration is not authentic," writes Richard Flahavan, the associate director of public affairs at the Selective Service. "However, if you have any credible evidence to the contrary and believe that a Federal crime has been committed, we suggest that it be turned over immediately to the Federal Bureau of Investigation to pursue."

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/se ... bi-6642312

'Course, Arpiehole had no credible evidence for any of his smears about Obama. Darn it, why the heck do you need credible evidence to make up lies about the scary black president? Bummer, dude.

However, unlike Psychobozo, President Obama didn't take any deferments or make any effort to avoid service in the military of this great nation. We weren't at war at the time.

[Wabash]

Course, Arpiehole had no credible evidence for any of his smears about Obama. Darn it, why the heck do you need credible evidence to make up lies about the scary black president? Bummer, dude.

It does not hurt when your followers are dumb as stumps. Which gets me back to my point about education level and support for Trump being inversely related.

[Vilepagan]

Meant to comment on this a week ago. Either Vilepagan thinks I'm REALLY stupid (teed that one up for you, right?), or he again mischaracterizes a comment to "win a debate". I suspect the latter from what I've read, generally, on responses to my comments on this board, with the exception of some, like JQP and Joe.

I can only respond to what you write. I didn't mischaracterize anything...you called voting a "privilege" and it's not, it's the most fundamental right we have and like I said it defines our democracy.

Our voting rights ABSOLUTELY should be seen as a cherished privilege in this free country of ours.

To quote Reagan, there you go again. You were wrong the first time and you're still wrong.

I strongly disagree with Joe and others who think having voters value that privilege at least to the extent that they must have a minimal degree of organization to do it within agreed guidelines once every four years is "voter suppression".

And I don't agree that it's a privilege. I also don't agree that we need more "guidelines' to do something we've been doing for years without major problems. Suddenly you think we need more "guidelines"...why?

I'd like to think I'd join many conservatives of color, or of a lower economic scale, in saying it is patronizing and demeaning for someone to assume they don't have the wherewithal to vote responsibly by going to the polling place with an ID.

I hate all the ads and signs telling everyone to vote. If you need a reminder, don't bother. Again, to think this a racist or an elitist sentiment is patronizing and demeaning to minorities and those on the lower economic scale. I think you are calling them out as lazy, or stupid.

Now you're trying to convince me that you want voter ID laws because they show respect for black people. Too funny.

[Omar Bongo]

Either Vilepagan thinks I'm REALLY stupid (teed that one up for you, right?), or he again mischaracterizes a comment to "win a debate"

I'll take door # 3, Monty...what you said was simply 100% wrong. Verbosity won't change that.

If Obamacare is his eight year legacy, it was an f'n airball.

Obamacare was never meant to be the be-all-end-all, it was only a first step towards universal healthcare. Fought tooth-and-nail every step of the way by the GOP, it's no surprise that in the last 4 years NOTHING has been accomplished towards the goal of guaranteeing every American access to affordable healthcare. ZERO. Congratulations, GOP, mission accomplished. Hopefully we can get that train back on the rails in January...

[Omar Bongo]

Yeah, Trump guys - knuckle draggers. Keep thinking that.

Who else could be persuaded to vote for such a person to run our country?

[ventura]

Getting back to my point. The research to do this level of investigation goes beyond the curiosity of high school level academia.

Again, I don't understand. My point is that college teaches left wing stuff at a time when young adults are most mesmerized by liberal propaganda. Since college is dominated by the left outside of most of the sciences, what's going to be the outcome in the voting booths for those in or just out of college?

[ventura]

You only know her name because she appeared on Fox News and made an outrageous claim that she knew was a 100% lie. That's what made her famous. She also sued a school district over an incident that happened outside of school. And lived in a $3,500 a month apartment without paying rent for six months, then sued over a "mold problem" more than a year late. And said Hitler was fine if he was "just trying to make Germany great." And lied about being a victim of leftist bullying around her social media bullying project. And she was CEO of an anti-Trump website just a few months before she went offline and reemerged as a conservative on YouTube. I'm going to stop there. There are enough examples of Owens chasing money and telling lies for me to make my decision.

Joe - I hope to look into all of this. If you are correct and Owens is no more than a money making charlatan race baiter, al la Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton, I will indeed be very disappointed but will agree with you that she is the worst kind of person.

I am aware of your Hitler comment, and I'll check on it, because I believe you are taking it totally out of context. If I find that to be the case, your assertions in the future will be weakened indeed.

[ventura]

Obamacare was never meant to be the be-all-end-all, it was only a first step towards universal healthcare. Fought tooth-and-nail every step of the way by the GOP, it's no surprise that in the last 4 years NOTHING has been accomplished towards the goal of guaranteeing every American access to affordable healthcare. ZERO. Congratulations, GOP, mission accomplished. Hopefully we can get that train back on the rails in January...

thank you for your candor - when Pelosi said something to the effect that we need to get it passed without fully knowing what was in it, the cards were on the table

when government makes a power grab, it's impossible to undo it - it's like that 50's movie, The Blob

[ventura]

That's also what's going on with COVID. A template for the future.

[joefutbol]

It's around 20 seconds. What would be the context that I took it out of?

[ventura]

English is notoriously Liberal. My first attempt at college, I wanted to take Architecture. I dropped my major when I saw what redneck jerks most of the Engineering students were. I couldn't stomach spending 3+ years with those people.

you guys are much better at searches than I am - it would be great if you could post stats on where tenured professors fall on the political spectrum at the more notable higher education institutions

[Professor Fate]

It's around 20 seconds. What would be the context that I took it out of?

I think you just made Ventura's point. She said IF that's all Hitler was about, fine...but it wasn't (as she pointed out).