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Trump's done a better job as president than I expected
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What did you expect? That he would be even more incompetent?

His leadership style can be summed succinctly.

1. Promise everything
2. Deliver nothing
3. Blame someone else

The line that is always asked.

"Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"

I will wait for you to remove your mask before you respond.
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I am better off then I was 4 years ago.
I never much cared for Trump before he got elected and still find him arrogant and petulant. But he's one of the only politicians I can remember that actually did a lot of the things he said he would.
I like what he did to ISIS. I remember thinking during the Obama administration that they sure want us to have a bogeyman. Letting these ISIS guys pour gasoline and light people on fire while still alive or sexually assault little girls, being that females were just property to them....like cattle. I saw them spread and make the news almost every day with the talking heads saying we couldn't do anything about it. I thought, we have massive air superiority in a DESERT, we should be able to take them out completely in 3-6 months. And Trump did it
I like how he took on and continues to take on China. I don't remember any previous president doing that. China's a real threat, probably our biggest.
I like what he did with the economy and tax cuts and cutting regulations.
I like the idea of his merit based immigration policy.
I like placing conservatives judges on the courts as I think things had swung too far to the left.
I like him renegotiating and making new trade deals.
I like him bringing US troops home.
I like his First Step Act which reforms sentencing laws, partially counteracting Biden's 1994 crime bill (I still can't believe Biden actually wrote the bill, that is awful)
I like his Urban Revitalization bill
I could go on...but I bet you want me to stop.
Oh, don't forget prescription drug price reform! But actually I don't like his take on health care too much. I think he should help out more Americans with their health insurance. I don't know enough about it but maybe Obamacare isn't that bad after all?

Anyways, I think he still has some serious personality flaws but if you removed everything he's said or Tweeted and just looked at what he's actually done in 3 1/2 years (while being hounded non-stop with investigations). I think you have to admit he's done a pretty good job.
ps- not really sure what your mask comment means.....something witty?
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We are still fighting ISIS.
We are still doing business with China. Odd that you believe they are a threat.
The economy is in the tank. Tens of millions unemployed.
Not sure what is meant by merit based immigration.
What decisions did you believe judges made too far left?
His trade deals are so good we now have to subsidize the farmers who are affected.....aka socialism.
Bringing US troops home is a good thing.
First Step is a good first step. The second part is being stalled by McConnell.
He promised better healthcare at lower prices. Still waiting.
He has been treated no worse than Obama or Clinton when they were president. The difference is that neither of them whined like the spoiled trust fund child that is Trump.

The economy is in the tank. Tens of millions are unemployed. A pandemic continues to get worse due to poor federal leadership.

Why would I want four more years of incompetence?
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When is Biden going to pick his VP?
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Why do you care? Are you going to vote for him?
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Wabash wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:26 am We are still fighting ISIS.
We are still doing business with China. Odd that you believe they are a threat.
The economy is in the tank. Tens of millions unemployed.
Not sure what is meant by merit based immigration.
What decisions did you believe judges made too far left?
His trade deals are so good we now have to subsidize the farmers who are affected.....aka socialism.
Bringing US troops home is a good thing.
First Step is a good first step. The second part is being stalled by McConnell.
He promised better healthcare at lower prices. Still waiting.
He has been treated no worse than Obama or Clinton when they were president. The difference is that neither of them whined like the spoiled trust fund child that is Trump.

The economy is in the tank. Tens of millions are unemployed. A pandemic continues to get worse due to poor federal leadership.

Why would I want four more years of incompetence?
Why do you care? Are you going to vote for him? :roll:
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If you find it odd that I say China is a threat to the US and you can't even admit that Trump did a job with ISIS, then there probably isn't much more to discuss.
Best of luck to you and remember to get plenty of sunshine/vitamin D!
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What job did Trump do with ISIS?

A quick Google search on "ISIS News" gets 148,000,000 hits.

The stories revolve around their latest activity.

So tell us what Trump did again?
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Tommy Tar wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:28 am When is Biden going to pick his VP?
He announced many weeks ago that it would be in August.

I'm still with Val Demings.
I like Keisha Lance Bottoms but I'd have trouble with a "Biden-Bottoms" ticket.
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sportsfan12 wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:55 am Best of luck to you and remember to get plenty of sunshine/vitamin D!
Lol. My brother just told me that not 5 minutes ago. Are you...? Nah!
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ShiftyMutt wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:30 am I'm still with Val Demings.
I think she was a police officer and became the police chief of a large city. How will that play out with the far-left? I know Harris took a lot of heat for being a DA.
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It would play out fine. The left is for law and order, too. Just not for standing on peoples’ necks till they die.
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:yeahthat:
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I’m starting to think Susan Rice will end up the fan favorite though. With Biden’s age you have to think in terms of who best to take over.
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It's Rice or Harris...flip a coin
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From Demings' Wikipedia page. In July 2020, I think it would put her in the "Not Likely" column.
According to a 2015 article in The Atlantic, the Orlando Police Department "has a long record of excessive-force allegations, and a lack of transparency on the subject, dating back at least as far as Demings's time as chief." A 2008 Orlando Weekly exposé described the Orlando Police Department as "a place where rogue cops operate with impunity, and there's nothing anybody who finds himself at the wrong end of their short fuse can do about it." Demings responded with an op-ed in the Orlando Sentinel, arguing that "Looking for a negative story in a police department is like looking for a prayer at church" and added that "It won't take long to find one." In the same op-ed, she cast doubt on video evidence that conflicts with officers' statements in excessive force cases, writing, "a few seconds (even of video) rarely capture the entire set of circumstances."

In 2010, an Orlando police officer flipped 84-year-old Daniel Daley over his shoulder after the man became belligerent, throwing him to the ground and breaking a vertebra in his neck. Daley alleged excessive force and filed a lawsuit. The police department cleared the officer as "justified" in using a "hard take down" to arrest Daley, concluding he used the technique correctly even though he and the other officer made conflicting statements. Demings said "the officer performed the technique within department guidelines" but also said that her department had "begun the process of reviewing the use of force policy and will make appropriate modifications." A federal jury ruled in Daley's favor and awarded him $880,000 in damages
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I still like Abrams but Rice is way better connected, so I think she'd be an excellent choice. And her "baggage" is an issue that only plays with Trump's most hardcore believers, so :thumbsup:.

Harris has a bright future but as a VP pick I think she'd be a horrible choice in this moment. Seems like she'd lose Biden more votes than she'd gain.
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sportsfan12 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:29 pm Trump's done a better job as president than I expected
You forgot to mention the 150,000 and counting deaths from his incompetent handling of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Not sure what you mean by a better job?

Did you want more or fewer people to perish from his incompetence?
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John Q. Public wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:11 pm According to a 2015 article in The Atlantic, the Orlando Police Department "has a long record of excessive-force allegations
Good catch John.
ShiftyMutt wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:08 pm It would play out fine. The left is for law and order, too. Just not for standing on peoples’ necks till they die.
Feel the same way about Demings now Mutt?
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