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Cheap Tomatoes

Post by SLK230 » Tue May 12, 2009 11:44 am

Cheap Tomatoes

This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet

Tomatoes and Cheap Labor

CHEAP TOMATOES?
This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent

From a California school teacher - - -

"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens , Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (
OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK )

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America . (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" whores and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc., etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements ?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it . Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 an d that refuses to assimilate , and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about " political Correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.

CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth , a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."
Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.
He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books.
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare . All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense .

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.
Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.
The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!
THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM AT ONCE!'
Thought for the day:
We are always hearing about how Social Security is going to run out of money.
How come we never hear about Welfare running out of money?

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Re: Cheap Tomatoes

Post by Fordama » Tue May 12, 2009 11:50 am

More and more keeps being added to this alleged letter than appeared originally a few years ago.

There is no evidence that this letter is real or was penned by anybody who was actually representing themselves.

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Re: Cheap Tomatoes

Post by Parrotpaul » Tue May 12, 2009 11:58 am

"I think I may say that of all the men we meet with, nine parts of ten are what they are, good or evil, useful or not, by their education." John Locke

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Post by SLK230 » Tue May 12, 2009 12:10 pm

Fordama wrote:More and more keeps being added to this alleged letter than appeared originally a few years ago.

There is no evidence that this letter is real or was penned by anybody who was actually representing themselves.

Fordama
So what?

It still expresses the feelings of many Americans.
Thought for the day:
We are always hearing about how Social Security is going to run out of money.
How come we never hear about Welfare running out of money?

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Re: Cheap Tomatoes

Post by SoMelo » Tue May 12, 2009 12:27 pm

If you like that here's a true one (check it out on snopes if you want)

I have a plan to destroy America

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Posted: July 11, 2006
1:00 am Eastern


By Richard D. Lamm
© 2009 WorldNetDaily.com


Editor's note: In 2004, Richard D. Lamm, former governor of Colorado, addressed a conference sponsored by the Federation for American Immigration Reform in Washington. The following remarks are reprinted with his permission.



Richard. D. Lamm

I have a secret plan to destroy America. If you believe, as many do, that America is too smug, too white bread, too self-satisfied, too rich, let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. History shows that nations are more fragile than their citizens think. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and they all fall, and that "an autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide." Here is my plan:


We must first make America a bilingual-bicultural country. History shows, in my opinion, that no nation can survive the tension, conflict and antagonism of two competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. One scholar, Seymour Martin Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon – all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with its Basques, Bretons and Corsicans."

I would then invent "multiculturalism" and encourage immigrants to maintain their own culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal: that there are no cultural differences that are important. I would declare it an article of faith that the black and Hispanic dropout rate is only due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out-of-bounds.

We can make the United States a "Hispanic Quebec" without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently, "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved, not by tolerance, but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically, and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with a salad bowl metaphor. It is important to insure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences, rather than Americans emphasizing their similarities.

Having done all this, I would make our fastest-growing demographic group the least educated – I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50 percent dropout rate from school.

I would then get the big foundations and big business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of victimology. I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was all the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.

I would establish dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would "celebrate diversity." "Diversity" is a wonderfully seductive word. It stresses differences rather than commonalities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other – that is, when they are not killing each other. A "diverse," peaceful or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together, and we can take advantage of this myopia.
Look at the ancient Greeks. Dorf's "World History" tells us: "The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games in honor of Zeus, and all Greeks venerated the shrine of Apollo at Delphi. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet, all of these bonds together were not strong enough to overcome two factors ... (local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions ...)" If we can put the emphasis on the "pluribus," instead of the "unum," we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo.


Then I would place all these subjects off-limits – make it taboo to talk about. I would find a word similar to "heretic" in the 16th century – that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like "racist", "xenophobe" halt argument and conversation. Having made America a bilingual-bicultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of "victimology," I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra – "because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good." I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact.

Lastly, I would censor Victor Davis Hanson's book "Mexifornia" – this book is dangerous; it exposes my plan to destroy America. So please, please – if you feel that America deserves to be destroyed – please, please – don't buy this book! This guy is on to my plan.
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." – Noam Chomsky, American linguist and U.S. media and foreign policy critic.

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Post by Parrotpaul » Tue May 12, 2009 1:14 pm

SLK230 wrote:
So what?

It still expresses the feelings of many Americans.
How many truths and untruths does it tell?
"I think I may say that of all the men we meet with, nine parts of ten are what they are, good or evil, useful or not, by their education." John Locke

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Post by SLK230 » Tue May 12, 2009 1:23 pm

Parrotpaul wrote: How many truths and untruths does it tell?
As many as you wish. Care to define truth?
Thought for the day:
We are always hearing about how Social Security is going to run out of money.
How come we never hear about Welfare running out of money?

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Post by Parrotpaul » Tue May 12, 2009 2:00 pm

SLK230 wrote:
As many as you wish. Care to define truth?
Not today....I need to hop into the shower, then steam some broccoli, then put on my lucky green Patriots St. Patrick's Day clover leaf shirt, and root for the C's.

No time for philosophy...but I'll provide some British Romantic poetry for you to consider.

""Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."
John Keats...."Ode On a Grecian Urn"
"I think I may say that of all the men we meet with, nine parts of ten are what they are, good or evil, useful or not, by their education." John Locke

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Post by Troglodyte » Tue May 12, 2009 3:38 pm

Parrotpaul wrote: Not today....I need to hop into the shower, then steam some broccoli, then put on my lucky green Patriots St. Patrick's Day clover leaf shirt, and root for the C's.

No time for philosophy...but I'll provide some British Romantic poetry for you to consider.

""Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."
John Keats...."Ode On a Grecian Urn"
Yeah!! Don't bother him with these thoughts... He's too buzy eating the lotus fruit of liberalism...
I don't suffer from any mental illnesses.. I enjoy them..

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Post by Parrotpaul » Tue May 12, 2009 3:41 pm

Troglodyte wrote: Yeah!! Don't bother him with these thoughts... He's too buzy eating the lotus fruit of liberalism...
Not a fan of John Keats, Captain? It works for him, and it works for me.

How would you define truth?
"I think I may say that of all the men we meet with, nine parts of ten are what they are, good or evil, useful or not, by their education." John Locke

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Post by Fordama » Tue May 12, 2009 5:45 pm

SLK230 wrote:
So what?

It still expresses the feelings of many Americans.
So? Many Americans believe in astrology. I'm not jumping on that bandwagon of falsehoods either.

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Post by John Q. Public » Tue May 12, 2009 6:08 pm

SLK230 wrote:Cheap Tomatoes
Ya know, Al, we have a special forum for stuff like this. It's the one I moved it to.
Don't look at me, I just work here.

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Post by Parrotpaul » Tue May 12, 2009 6:38 pm

SLK230 wrote:
As many as you wish. Care to define truth?
The TRUTH, Al, can be found in the north end of Boston....#34 PAUL PIERCE is the TRUTH!!!!!! Go Celtics!!!
"I think I may say that of all the men we meet with, nine parts of ten are what they are, good or evil, useful or not, by their education." John Locke

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Post by SLK230 » Wed May 13, 2009 3:19 am

Troglodyte wrote: Yeah!! Don't bother him with these thoughts... He's too buzy eating the lotus fruit of liberalism...
And singing Kumbaya while apologizing to Obama for not not being a better liberal.
Thought for the day:
We are always hearing about how Social Security is going to run out of money.
How come we never hear about Welfare running out of money?

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Post by SLK230 » Wed May 13, 2009 3:21 am

Parrotpaul wrote: Not a fan of John Keats, Captain? It works for him, and it works for me.

How would you define truth?
Truth like beauty is a matter of focus and is in the eye of the beholder.
Thought for the day:
We are always hearing about how Social Security is going to run out of money.
How come we never hear about Welfare running out of money?

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Post by SLK230 » Wed May 13, 2009 3:23 am

Fordama wrote:So? Many Americans believe in astrology. I'm not jumping on that bandwagon of falsehoods either.

Fordama
Just because you don't share a certain viewpoint doesn't mean the viewpoint has no validity. Viewpoint isn't fact but rather opinion.
Thought for the day:
We are always hearing about how Social Security is going to run out of money.
How come we never hear about Welfare running out of money?

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Post by Fordama » Wed May 13, 2009 6:44 am

SLK230 wrote: Just because you don't share a certain viewpoint doesn't mean the viewpoint has no validity. Viewpoint isn't fact but rather opinion.
When it is presented as a fact or the product of facts, then it is deception. I'd rather keep my viewpoints more reality based.

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Post by SLK230 » Wed May 13, 2009 7:21 am

Fordama wrote:When it is presented as a fact or the product of facts, then it is deception. I'd rather keep my viewpoints more reality based.

Fordama

How do you get fact out of opinion????

You are stating your opinions they are in no way facts.
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Post by Fordama » Wed May 13, 2009 9:57 am

SLK230 wrote: How do you get fact out of opinion????
I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school

Not an opinion, and not verifiable.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens , Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Not an opinion and extremely out of date.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud.

A presentation of an opinion as though it is fact. I can't tell you about the meals at other schools--and neither can the alleged author--but they aren't going to "make the Marriot proud." That's a bs opinion that is being stated as fact.

The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.


Not an opinion. Probably true to a point as teens can waste food. However, it doesn't mean that many of the kids aren't eating all of their meals. Teen guys tend to eat a lot of food.

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight.

Provided as a fact without any verification, very possibly colored by personal preconceptions.

About 75% or more DO have cell phones.

See above. Not to mention that a cell phone, rightly or wrongly, is considered a neccessity by many parents nowadays, not a luxury item.

The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

So? Would she rather they just stay uneducated and insure a lifetime of being on the dole?

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial.

Presented as fact when it is an opinion. Not to mention highly dubious.

I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America .

No different than teens anywhere.

(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

Maybe she should have made sure the people supervising were doing a better job. Kids are always somewhat destructive. She is apparently is the one who is not making sure our tax dollars were at work.

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" whores and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.

Tough schools, poor administrations that aren't backing their teachers.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc., etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements ?

Opinions formed completely inside her head and not the actual opinions of those students. Of course, she states it as though it was fact.

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Some of us do. However, there is more to it than what she is stating at the same time.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

Much of which has nothing to do with her students at all.


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