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Homo's pick a fight

Post by ND7 » Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:43 pm

No matter where you come down on this, what do you think about the journalism? This was not an opinion piece, it was in the local section. Thanks again OCR. :thumbsdown:

Gays protest Exodus forum at Concordia


IRVINE – Waving posters and peace signs, dozens of gay activists gathered Saturday near Concordia University, which is hosting a Christian conference that seeks to counsel homosexuals through religion.
"We're just making sure they're getting a positive message on the way home," said Alex Gorman, a Laguna Hills resident and team leader with Team Courage OC, a local progressive activist group. "They probably didn't get it inside."

About 160 gay activists protested at University and Ridgeline drives in Irvine near Concordia University, which is hosting Exodus International's annual conference that counsels members of the gay community through religion. Many of the protestors said they hoped to send a message to conference goers and residents that ex-gay therapy is ineffective and damaging.

This week, the university hosted Exodus International, which held its annual conference for worship, teaching, workshops, life stories and ministry support to become "better equipped in ministering grace and truth to a world impacted by homosexuality," according to its website.

More than 160 members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community protested at the intersection of University and Ridgeline drives just outside of Concordia's campus in Irvine. They hoped to encourage Exodus participants and families to feel like they have other alternatives.

Angie Coleman, a 33-year-old Virgina Beach, Va., resident who was in town for the Exodus conference said to the contrary, the conference was "nurturing, loving, not judgmental, not shame-based."
"To me, it's not a 'we versus them,'" Coleman said. "That's not how I see it."

Coleman, who spoke with several of the gay activists Saturday, said she believed that her attraction to women stems from a distant relationship with her mother and a need to fill that void. She said she doesn't think she was born gay and that God can heal her attraction to the same sex.
"It's not sexuality I focus on," she added. "I get my identity from who I am in Christ. I don't see my sexuality as defining me."

Many of the protesters said they hoped to send a message to conference goers and residents that ex-gay therapy is ineffective and damaging. They held a counter-conference at the Irvine United Congregational Church in Irvine last weekend to dispel what they say are misperceptions.

Some motorists honked and yelled in support. Others offered advice, "You have to read the Bible!" or offered obscene hand signs as they drove by the protesters.
"I find it hilarious when people tell me to read the Bible," said Kelly Kraus, a 21-year-old religious studies student at Chapman University.

Kraus, who grew up in Fountain Valley, said she came out at 19 to a supportive family. She said she attended the protest to show that it was OK to be gay and Christian.
"I'm having a hard time seeing how anyone buys into the Exodus stuff," said Nicole Nelson of Orange, who is a bisexual. "It's very barbaric."

Exodus International celebrates its 35th anniversary of the conference this year. The first gathering took place in Anaheim in 1976. Sixty-three formerly gay men and women gathered and "ended up birthing a movement," according to the site.

"While Exodus exists in an increasingly hostile environment, they remain committed to providing a biblical perspective for those who feel conflicted by their same-sex attractions and their faith as well as offering understanding, encouragement, counseling and support to friends and family members impacted by homosexuality," according to a release on the Exodus website.

Shelly Peters of Huntington Beach said her brother, a transgender who became a woman at age 45, went through similar therapy. "Jennifer" committed suicide in December of 2008, Peters said.
"Love is love," she said. "We already are all equal beings. It's just that society hasn't adhered to that yet."

Contact the writer: 714-796-7956 or epak@ocregister.com

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Re: Homo's pick a fight

Post by Wolves » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:53 pm

Stinking Homo's.

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Re: Homo's pick a fight

Post by Fordama » Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:13 pm

I read the title of the thread and thought there was a boxing match in a rectory.

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Re: Homo's pick a fight

Post by ND7 » Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:38 pm

Fordama wrote:I read the title of the thread and thought there was a boxing match in a rectory.

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So the whole of your response is an anti-Catholic shot. Why don't you answer the question, or respond to the article?
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Post by joefutbol » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:35 am

ND7 wrote:Sixty-three formerly gay men and women gathered
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Coleman, who spoke with several of the gay activists Saturday, said she believed that her attraction to women stems from a distant relationship with her mother and a need to fill that void. She said she doesn't think she was born gay and that God can heal her attraction to the same sex.
Well, what Angie doesn't know can fill a warehouse.


Where's the fight, ND? I came in here expecting to read about ballerina boxing.

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Post by John Q. Public » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:43 am

ND7 wrote:No matter where you come down on this, what do you think about the journalism?
Disjointed and repetitive. It reads like it was written by a high school intern.
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Coleman, who spoke with several of the gay activists Saturday, said she believed that her attraction to women stems from a distant relationship with her mother and a need to fill that void. She said she doesn't think she was born gay and that God can heal her attraction to the same sex.
joefutbol wrote: Well, what Angie doesn't know can fill a warehouse.
Like what for example?

Seems to me you are extrapolating a lot of what you want to be "facts" but aren't in evidence in that one, short snippet of a quote.

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Post by GOODave » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:59 am

OCRegister wrote: "While Exodus exists in an increasingly hostile environment, they remain committed to providing a biblical perspective for those who feel conflicted by their same-sex attractions and their faith as well as offering understanding, encouragement, counseling and support to friends and family members impacted by homosexuality," according to a release on the Exodus website.
So what is "your" recommendation for those who feel conflicted? Just tell them "suck it up" ... you're homosexual, get used to it?

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Re: Homo's pick a fight

Post by Fordama » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:50 am

ND7 wrote: So the whole of your response is an anti-Catholic shot. Why don't you answer the question, or respond to the article?
Try not using a slur in the title of your thread.

Besides, my reply wasn't anti-Catholic, it was anti-Catholic Church. Catholics are by and large very decent. Some of them, like my Mom, my sister, and my wife are Catholic. However, the Church has a pocket of rat-bastards that stretches to the top.

As far as the article goes, what's to deal with? Poor writing? Other than the occasional drive-by bigot, it sounds like two groups having peaceful get-togethers about an issue.

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Re: Homo's pick a fight

Post by GOODave » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:16 am

Fordama wrote:
Catholics are by and large very decent. Some of them, like my Mom, my sister, and my wife are Catholic. However, the Church has a pocket of rat-bastards that stretches to the top.
Pretty similar to the distinction I make between "Christians" and "the religious."

It's not like you to make those distinctions, but I mostly agree with you. The only suggestion I would make is, I would clarify that the Catholic church is not alone in that structural "rot." There are a lot of church organizations (aka "religious" organizations) that have the same or a similar issue.

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Post by Fordama » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:04 am

GOODave wrote:
Pretty similar to the distinction I make between "Christians" and "the religious."

It's not like you to make those distinctions, but I mostly agree with you. The only suggestion I would make is, I would clarify that the Catholic church is not alone in that structural "rot." There are a lot of church organizations (aka "religious" organizations) that have the same or a similar issue.
I don't know if any of them have had such a wide-scale set of incidents that leave a trail internationally all the way to the very top of a worldwide organization, though.

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Re: Homo's pick a fight

Post by GOODave » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:19 am

Fordama wrote:I don't know if any of them have had such a wide-scale set of incidents that leave a trail internationally all the way to the very top of a worldwide organization, though.

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Again, I sort-of agree: With the understanding that very few church organizations have a structure as rigid or as large as the Catholic church (intending no disrespect to that organization, just clarifying).

My observation has been that there are many people who want "religion" in their lives (for various reasons) and tend to affiliate themselves with such hierarchical organizations. There are also people who's primary intent is to submit to the Lordship of Christ and who typically shrug off such rigor.

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Post by MDDad » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:29 am

GOODave wrote:
So what is "your" recommendation for those who feel conflicted? Just tell them "suck it up" ... you're homosexual, get used to it?
Terrible, albeit clever, double entendre.

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Post by GOODave » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:30 am

MDDad wrote:
Terrible, albeit clever, double entendre.
I thought one of the others would pick that up.

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Post by AsIfYouKnew » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:40 am

Fordama wrote:I don't know if any of them have had such a wide-scale set of incidents that leave a trail internationally all the way to the very top of a worldwide organization, though.

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First, no other religious organization has the reach of the Catholic Church. Secondly, I have posted a few times data showing that incidents of abuse are lower in the Catholic Church than other churches. Your comments ring of anti-Catholic bigotry.
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Post by Parrotpaul » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:43 am

AsIfYouKnew wrote:
First, no other religious organization has the reach of the Catholic Church. Secondly, I have posted a few times data showing that incidents of abuse are lower in the Catholic Church than other churches. Your comments ring of anti-Catholic bigotry.
I'd like to see that data again, please. If other churches are abusing their parishioners moreso or even as much as the Catholic church has been found to be guilty of doing, there must be a group of abuse happening out there in all churches.
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Re: Homo's pick a fight

Post by GOODave » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:06 am

Parrotpaul wrote: I'd like to see that data again, please. If other churches are abusing their parishioners moreso or even as much as the Catholic church has been found to be guilty of doing, there must be a group of abuse happening out there in all churches.
Don't fall for it, AIYK: These guys get some sort of thrill getting you to go dig for information THEY want... or pretend they want.

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Re: Homo's pick a fight

Post by Fordama » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:47 am

AsIfYouKnew wrote:
First, no other religious organization has the reach of the Catholic Church. Secondly, I have posted a few times data showing that incidents of abuse are lower in the Catholic Church than other churches. Your comments ring of anti-Catholic bigotry.
Strawman argument. I never said that abuses happened at a higher or lower rate in any church. You're creating an argument that I didn't make.

What the Catholic Church has done is systematically covered up the problem and sheltered the abusers at the cost of parishioners. This cover-up goes all the way to the top.

And that is the disgusting aspect which should be bringing ridicule to the Church.

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Post by joefutbol » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:26 am

GOODave wrote:


Like what for example?

Seems to me you are extrapolating a lot of what you want to be "facts" but aren't in evidence in that one, short snippet of a quote.

How she thinks her sexual preference is influenced strictly by her upbringing, for example.

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Re: Homo's pick a fight

Post by GOODave » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:43 am

joefutbol wrote:
How she thinks her sexual preference is influenced strictly by her upbringing, for example.
Do you suppose that is all there was to it? I mean, the OCReg only cited her that one short paragraph but I did not get the impression she went into the whole psychology of how she came to be lesbian, did you?

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