Rick Perry wants schools interrupred all day for pray.

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Post by Red » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:05 pm

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Post by Notorious » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:09 pm

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Socialism doesn't work. Socialism is great if you are stupid, lazy, jealous, and unmotiviated.
You know the point of my comment?

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Post by Wiley » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:08 pm

Wiley wrote:It's not unusual for you to toss out negative remarks and cover them with question marks seemingly without rational and organized thought processes.
Vilepagan wrote:It's not unusual for you to toss out meaningless political rhetoric devoid of rational and organized thought processes. I stand by my statement. The notion that Obama has an "agenda" to foment "class warfare" is absurd, and I think you should be offended that the GOP thinks you're too stupid to digest more than simple phrases and slogans, rather than substantive political discourse.
You call "political discourse" plagiarizing a portion of my rebuttal while tossing in a back-handed insult?

Of course, Obama's agenda is to create class warfare to buy votes from the ignorant who expect to benefit from big government. Why would he support the OWS squatters after providing Wall Street bail outs and accepting political donations from the millionaires he protected? Why has he dug in on his refusel to approve the Keystone pipeline when it's more of a free market, shovel-ready project than anything he's brought to fore - think Solyndra?

December 14, 2011

Class warfare, de Tocqueville-style

By Ed Rogers

Some interesting new data published in a recent Gallup poll suggest the Democratic idea of winning politically by using class warfare may be harder than they thought.

One revealing question in the poll asks, “In your opinion, which of the following will be the biggest threat to the country in the future — big business, big labor, or big government?” The answer was clear: 64% said that big government is the greatest threat to the country, 26% said big business, and last, 8% said big labor. This suggests the Democrats have missed the bull’s-eye during the last three years. And, in their version of class warfare, they don't really offer a class at all but instead a society that is dependent on the government. George Will has warned us about this for some time.

The health-care bill, the giant government bailouts and massive new regulation of energy production and financial services are all inconsistent with how people feel about the government’s threatening presence in American life. The poll suggests that in the 2012 elections, President Obama will either be off-key or silent, after having had perfect pitch in 2008. All of his so-called accomplishments have been big government solutions. His reelection themes won’t be credible if he denies the obvious and suddenly suggests that he’s for a smaller, less obtrusive government.

Going back to his speech in Kansas, and all the talk about income inequality, Obama didn’t speak about any new specific programs, only that the rich must pay their “fair share.” He never quantifies fair share, but the suggestion is that the “fair share” must be paid so that there can be income redistribution, and more government.

Alexis de Tocqueville thought he recognized a flaw in democracy when he wrote in his most famous work, “Democracy in America,” in 1835, “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.”

For President Obama, it seems that income inequality calls for income redistribution and an expansion of government. But the Gallop numbers suggest that voters may feel more threatened than relieved by the plan he offers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... _blog.html
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Post by blacklib » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:38 pm

Wiley wrote:You call "political discourse" plagiarizing a portion of my rebuttal while tossing in a back-handed insult?

Of course, Obama's agenda is to create class warfare to buy votes from the ignorant who expect to benefit from big government. Why would he support the OWS squatters after providing Wall Street bail outs and accepting political donations from the millionaires he protected? Why has he dug in on his refusel to approve the Keystone pipeline when it's more of a free market, shovel-ready project than anything he's brought to fore - think Solyndra?

December 14, 2011

Class warfare, de Tocqueville-style

By Ed Rogers

Some interesting new data published in a recent Gallup poll suggest the Democratic idea of winning politically by using class warfare may be harder than they thought.

One revealing question in the poll asks, “In your opinion, which of the following will be the biggest threat to the country in the future — big business, big labor, or big government?” The answer was clear: 64% said that big government is the greatest threat to the country, 26% said big business, and last, 8% said big labor. This suggests the Democrats have missed the bull’s-eye during the last three years. And, in their version of class warfare, they don't really offer a class at all but instead a society that is dependent on the government. George Will has warned us about this for some time.

The health-care bill, the giant government bailouts and massive new regulation of energy production and financial services are all inconsistent with how people feel about the government’s threatening presence in American life. The poll suggests that in the 2012 elections, President Obama will either be off-key or silent, after having had perfect pitch in 2008. All of his so-called accomplishments have been big government solutions. His reelection themes won’t be credible if he denies the obvious and suddenly suggests that he’s for a smaller, less obtrusive government.

Going back to his speech in Kansas, and all the talk about income inequality, Obama didn’t speak about any new specific programs, only that the rich must pay their “fair share.” He never quantifies fair share, but the suggestion is that the “fair share” must be paid so that there can be income redistribution, and more government.

Alexis de Tocqueville thought he recognized a flaw in democracy when he wrote in his most famous work, “Democracy in America,” in 1835, “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.”

For President Obama, it seems that income inequality calls for income redistribution and an expansion of government. But the Gallop numbers suggest that voters may feel more threatened than relieved by the plan he offers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... _blog.html
Just wondering if you would include some of the anti-terrorist laws passed since 9/11 as big government which has had full support of the GOP except for the followers of Ron Paul. The main falsehood is this article is the idea the "conservatives" are not dependent on the government as much as liberals. Like I said earlier in the thread, income equality has expanded during the Obama years.

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Post by Red » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:06 pm

blacklib wrote:
Just wondering if you would include some of the anti-terrorist laws passed since 9/11 as big government which has had full support of the GOP except for the followers of Ron Paul. The main falsehood is this article is the idea the "conservatives" are not dependent on the government as much as liberals. Like I said earlier in the thread, income equality has expanded during the Obama years.[/quote]

Yep, Obama and his close friends have become very rich.
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Post by John Q. Public » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:22 pm

Red wrote: Socialism doesn't work. Socialism is great if you are stupid, lazy, jealous, and unmotiviated.
Or Swedish.
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Post by Wabash » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:29 am

John Q. Public wrote: Or Swedish.
Or Swiss. Or German.
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Post by Wabash » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:30 am

blacklib wrote:The main falsehood is this article is the idea the "conservatives" are not dependent on the government as much as liberals. Like I said earlier in the thread, income equality has expanded during the Obama years.
BING--FRACKIN'--OHH!!

At just about every level. It is the so called Red states that are dependent upon the Blue states. The myth of so called "self reliant' conservatives is just that, a myth.
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Post by Wabash » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:14 am

Back on topic. I hope Perry gets the nomination. It's funny that conservatives are kicking him to the curb. It wasn't the long ago they were begging him to run as their savior.
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Post by Vilepagan » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:32 am

Wiley wrote:You call "political discourse" plagiarizing a portion of my rebuttal while tossing in a back-handed insult?
No Wiley, but thanks for getting the point. BTW, I didn't plagiarize a "rebuttal" I plagiarized your meaningless political rhetoric.
Of course, Obama's agenda is to create class warfare to buy votes from the ignorant who expect to benefit from big government.
Yet the meaningless political rhetoric continues. Go figure.
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Post by Wiley » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:07 am

Vilepagan wrote:
No Wiley, but thanks for getting the point. BTW, I didn't plagiarize a "rebuttal" I plagiarized your meaningless political rhetoric.



Yet the meaningless political rhetoric continues. Go figure.
If you don't have the time, energy or purpose to debate, don't embarrass yourself by posting grade-school diatribe. There are other ways to display arrogance and a nasty attitude. I posted the article on class warfare so you can learn something on the subject and begin to take your president's agenda seriously. I'm afraid Little Johnny is making a lot of noise in the back of the classroom but there's no work to grade.
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Post by Vilepagan » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:19 am

Wiley wrote:If you don't have the time, energy or purpose to debate, don't embarrass yourself by posting grade-school diatribe.
I would be happy to debate anything with you except there' s no way to debate nonsense like: "Of course, Obama's agenda is to create class warfare to buy votes from the ignorant who expect to benefit from big government."
There are other ways to display arrogance and a nasty attitude.
No doubt, just like there's other ways for you to display your ignorant and partisan attitudes than to post what you did and claim it's "debate worthy".
I posted the article on class warfare so you can learn something on the subject and begin to take your president's agenda seriously.
I understand the president. It's your ideas I can't take seriously.
I'm afraid Little Johnny is making a lot of noise in the back of the classroom but there's no work to grade.
Isn't that some of the embarrassing grade-school crap you were talking about? :eh?:
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Post by Wiley » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:23 am

Vilepagan wrote:Isn't that some of the embarrassing grade-school crap you were talking about? :eh?:
Just trying to reach down and offer you a hand-up. :iknow:
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Wiley wrote:Just trying to reach down and offer you a hand-up. :iknow:
Of course. Any thoughts on the topic? You know...Rick Perry and the prayer thing?
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Post by Vilepagan » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:28 am

Red wrote:Socialism doesn't work. Socialism is great if you are stupid, lazy, jealous, and unmotiviated.
Or unless you're the NFL. Then it works fine.
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Post by Wiley » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:48 am

Vilepagan wrote:
Of course. Any thoughts on the topic? You know...Rick Perry and the prayer thing?
Posted my comments on Rick Perry at the beginning of this thread - have you read the article on class warfare yet?
Wiley wrote:Rick Perry is a non-issue except he represents the Republican party in the eyes of the Liberal media. He is an embarrassment rather than a viable candidate. At least President Bush recognized his struggles with oral discourse and limited his exposure.
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Post by GOODave » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:46 pm

blacklib wrote:
If Obama was really a socialist would the income gap get smaller between the rich and the poor and not increase the other way?
Interestingly, your question leaves out a middle class ... pretty much exactly like a socialist would do. Socialism in practice (as opposed to theory) has the dirt poor masses and the lofty elite priveleged. No middle class.

Don't you find it interesting taht you defended Obama's policies using classic, practical socialism while implicitly stating he's not a socialist?

I think that's interesting.

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Post by GOODave » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:33 am

Huh! How interesting the above was Wiley's last argument in here ... juxtaposed to someone's obvious absence from the thread honoring Steve Burt's life. I suppose we should honor someone for staying away from a thread in which he would have to be a hypocrite, though, so :thumbsup: well done for that, at least.

Personally, I think Rick Perry is wrong on his School Prayer thing. Kids can still pray, it's just not (by the 1962 case referenced in Donray's article) a part of the curriculum. But that having been said, I also do not want Obama's plan to allow the prayer rugs 5 times a day as part of the curriculum, either.

I was part of the audience who sat and listened to a Muslim family tell us about their experience in a mostly secular world. The teenaged daughter did most of the presenting as the father, who sat in the back of the room, was forbidden by his religion to address a mixed-gender group. The daughter spoke of her daily life in a public High School and part of that daily life is that she gets off by herself a few times a day and offers her prayers. She doesn't use a prayer rug for those occassions.

Seems to me devout Muslims have assimilated as well as can be expected into a secular society. IF this new rule isn't for them (and it can't possibly be for them since they don't seem to need it), for whom IS it?

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Post by Vilepagan » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:07 am

GOODave wrote:Huh! How interesting the above was Wiley's last argument in here ...
Indeed, and it's a shame he's not here to continue the discussion.
juxtaposed to someone's obvious absence from the thread honoring Steve Burt's life. I suppose we should honor someone for staying away from a thread in which he would have to be a hypocrite, though, so :thumbsup: well done for that, at least.
I understand you live to find fault with what I post, but are you now going to take me to task for what I don't post? Are you going to lecture me now on the proper way to express myself on the death of a fellow poster? If you're going to do that, perhaps you can explain to us all how you are in a position to do so. I didn't see any special outpouring of grief or support from you on Wiley's untimely passing. Did you even bother to post a thread about it in "Forum News" or any other place where it might be seen by the general membership, or by those who knew Wiley from the political debates here? I didn't even know it happened until days later. I noticed one post in the "death pool" thread that seemed like it might be a joke, and then I got a PM from a member asking me if Wiley had indeed passed away. I didn't know, so I sent a PM to another mod asking them. They directed me to the thread in "High School". If you (or anyone else) had seen fit to post a thread in the general area or even in "politics" I would have paid my respects, but you didn't do so. In short, if you wish to know my thoughts on Wiley's passing, you should ask.
Personally, I think Rick Perry is wrong on his School Prayer thing. Kids can still pray, it's just not (by the 1962 case referenced in Donray's article) a part of the curriculum.
I agree.
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Post by slowyoroll » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:53 am

How about just one day of prayer? We can all pray that this IDIOT wino goes away..
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