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But I do have a question. Everybody's been making a big deal about people putting their hand over their heart lately. Has that become required? If I just stand up at a ball game are people going to throw beer and nachos at me or am I overextrapolating from the Olympics and the conventions. Just standing was all that was expected last time I went.
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is played or the USA flag passes by but it's not required - probably 40% do it and 60% not and vice versa
depending where you are at....
Pretty much my view as well. If sporting events want to kick off the event with nationalistic songs, they should vary the choices. America the Beautiful, God Bless America (not for a blessing..I like the tune...it's at least inspiring), Celito Lindo (in the southwest and west). Other good choices are available.John Q. Public wrote:Freedom of speech on the one hand, bad example on the other. Or is that "good example?" No opinion either way, really.
I'd just as soon they did away with the tradition...meh.
My thoughts exactly. Given his statements since the controversy erupted I believe he knew that before his act. Kaepernick has had his own unique experiences as a black man in America and is entitled to an opinion informed by that lived experience. That is as patriotic (IMO) to those who are criticizing him.not4u13 wrote: More power to him, but he should also expect that when he makes that choice there will be a while lot of people who don't understand.
Maybe it's time for a rewrite, something closer to the Canadian anthem.
Nobody seems to dispute the guy's right to protest whatever he thinks is protestable by whatever harmless symbolic gesture he chooses. If he wants to protest the racist/capitalist/imperialist/misogynist USA by doing one-handed pushups to rap music while wearing Chairman Mao suits, feel free.
The point is where and when he is exercising his heroic gestures. When he is playing football for the 49ers he is a member of that organization and they have the right to expect a certain professionalism. By ostentatiously calling attention to himself for an issue that has nothing to do with the San Francisco 49ers he will inevitably detract from team cohesion and the interests of the organization, and that is wrong.
He is on a football field for perhaps 5 hours once per week during the football season. He has the rest of his time to act out whatever particular vision he has for the world and nobody is stopping him from doing that. But by utilizing that brief period when he is a representative of his team and his organization he is causing unjustifiable harm to his employer.
What reputable law firm, for example, would permit its employees while at the office and mingling with clients to wear Nazi regalia, gang insignia, or any of the innumerable profane T-shirts that seem to circulate these days? Even in high schools we generally don't allow teenagers to wear gang clothing, politically motivated shirts, unusually revealing clothing, etc. etc. Are their rights being violated or are they simply being expected to live up to a reasonable standard while at school or work?
If it were my organization, I'd tell the guy to do whatever the hell he would like during the week or in the off season when he is on his own time. But when you're on a 49ers football field wearing a 49ers uniform, leave your political activities and narcissism at home. I am paying you $19 million to play football and you are damaging my product, son..............................Luca
2. Whenever a celebrity athlete or entertainer, with their $20 million mansions and net worths reaching into eight or nine figures, performs one of these made-for-youtube protests, it always makes me wonder: With their weeks or months of free time, and all the disposable cash in the world, how much of either do they actual volunteer to improve the cause they are protesting? Do they really contribute time and money to the solutions, or does their concern and commitment end as soon as “and the home of the brave” is completed.
contemporary style. Canada's anthem used to be, "God save the Queen"?, from the British
colony days. Canada is still a British Commonwealth Country.
On A side note, why would something as, you have to stand for the national anthem even if
you are picking your nose not be in a NFL player's contract?
There is probably some clause in there that the 49ers could utilize to get a leash on the guy's theatrics, but you wonder if the NFL players Association would try to portray it as a civil rights issue.
He's a strange guy. Somebody commented that he sounds like that guy who believes everything he reads on the Internet. He's pretty much just ended his NFL career. What owner would antagonize his fan base
by picking up his contract?...........Luca
*Black person sits quietly during national anthem*
White people No, not like that!"...Charlotte@charlotteirene8
Not surprisingly, you missed the point by a fairly wide margin, Paul. The issue is not what the hell his melodramatic issue du jouris, it's the fact that he mocks American tradition and the American flag. I don't think too many people give a damn what his particular point is........Luca
So did those people who peed on the flag, spit on the flag, burned the flag, and wore it as clothing. SCOTUS said they were protected by the First Amendment.
I'm not even close to being nationalistic...this whole thing is blown up waaayyy too much. They should do away with the NA before athletic events, IMO...and they can ditch the pledge as well.
Why should they do away with the national anthem before events? Because for whatever reason you personally don't like it?................................Luca
But I don't think he mocked those traditions as much as took advantage of them. I do think he's a bit off-based as the American flag is the flag of the national government, which has done a lot for the civil rights of minorities. It's largely been state governments and local agencies that have been victimizing Blacks in many parts of the country.