Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

itsmyopinionx
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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by itsmyopinionx » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:23 am

TahoeCoachRCS, I think having a winning basketball program would be ideal. A program that wins some legit games and not just games in these sub par tournaments. My experience with Morris has been that many, many people don't like him as a person or coach. You can read my comments through the years about the numbers of kids that have quit or left the program because of him. Of course, that being said, there are a few families that like him and maybe those families have vouched for him favorably. In addition, I think Brennan and Bowen were protecting him for some reason and Clinton is too busy with wrestling to care. Bottom line is, it can't get worse than it's been for the past 7 now going on 8 years. I think Servite could get a coach in there who could build the program up but until they actually fire Morris and post the job, they'll never see who's available. It's to the point now where basketball players aren't coming to Servite because of Morris's program (and that includes alumni who aren't sending their kids to Servite). A new coach might be able to change that portion of the landscape and then build up the program. Just a thought.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by daddyooo » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:09 pm

agree that if Servite wants a competitive basketball program, they need to make a coaching change.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by TahoeCoachRCS » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:14 pm

I have been out of the area for a while, but it seems like Servite could easily improve and in a couple of years be very competitive with the right coach. Traditionally, some families will be drawn to the discipline and character develop that Servite offers. Being in the Trinity League is also a huge draw. Servite also has a great location to draw athletes to their campus. I also think a facility improvement or addition is an absolute must. Combine that with the right coach and the players will come.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by Dailydose » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:48 pm

If Morris could play Rosary he would.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by daddyooo » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:08 pm

Rosary has a competent basketball program. He'd probably lose.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by Stugotz » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:19 pm

In my conversations with Brennan, Bowen and Clinton, they said they didn't want to pay a big salary to a club coach to attract players. I pointed out to them that Rosary, a school of four hundred, won a state championship with a coach that has been there for 25 years. Rosary is starting to attract talent similar to, but not equal to, the programs McKnight and Kiernan have built at MD. It can be done.

Basketball should be your second highest revenue generator behind football. The way the administration has responded in the past in regards to complaints about coaches (baseball, soccer, water polo, football), I wrongfully assumed the same action would be taken in regards to Morris. I actually like the facility because it is intimate and, if you can attract fans, can work to your benefit. Just ask Atascadero in 2014 when they came in as a #2 seed and lost.

A 1983 graduate decided to send his twin 6'6" freshman to MD. It killed him to do so but his other option was to send them to Servite and be coached by Morris. I've talked to him and he still loves Servite but Servite can't give his kids the coaching they need to be successful. They are even losing the kids of alum which should be setting off alarms internally. I don't have an answer for a coach but I think Rusty Van Cleave is a viable option.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by TahoeCoachRCS » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:56 pm

Is the Prukop kid at MD from the Servite Prukops?

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by Stugotz » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:10 pm

Yes

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by TahoeCoachRCS » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:20 pm

Wow. One would have to believe kids like Prukop, these twins, and other legacies would be at Servite if the program was solid on the court. If the program is really good they would not only get good legacy players, but many other quality players parents would want to send them to the school, and into the Trinity league.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by Stugotz » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:26 pm

I find it frustrating because the solution is quite simple. Find a quality coach and the outcome will change. If anything, the coaching changes in the sports I referenced and the ensuing results should lead them to change coaches.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by TahoeCoachRCS » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:35 pm

I also feel it is incredibly misguided to think you have to pay a talent acquiring club coach to have a competitive basketball team in the Trinity League. As long as Mcknight is at MD the best talent looks their first. A coach that knows how to win, develop players, network in the school and basketball community, and tie the basketball programs culture to the schools mission would have success. If talent gathering was the key piece JSerra and Orange Lutheran would be much more successful. Derrick Taylor at Taft had more talent than anyone and fell way short of expectations. Talent is necessary, but not the only key piece.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by Stugotz » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:46 pm

It wouldn't take too long to build a quality program without losing the core values the school embraces. I believe they are still in 3AA so if you are able to attract some talent with a new coach the positive results should follow soon after. Again, the solution is simple.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by daddyooo » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:08 pm

TahoeCoachRCS wrote:I also feel it is incredibly misguided to think you have to pay a talent acquiring club coach to have a competitive basketball team in the Trinity League. As long as Mcknight is at MD the best talent looks their first. A coach that knows how to win, develop players, network in the school and basketball community, and tie the basketball programs culture to the schools mission would have success. If talent gathering was the key piece JSerra and Orange Lutheran would be much more successful. Derrick Taylor at Taft had more talent than anyone and fell way short of expectations. Talent is necessary, but not the only key piece.
Do think the recent hire of Wilkinson at JSerra was the right one...been real impressed with what I've seen this year.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by TahoeCoachRCS » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:15 pm

Time will tell at JSerra. Lost his really good transfer Martinez with an injury and they lost 5 of their last 6. Have to give Coach Wilkinson a chance to see if he can build a program and coach against Mater Dei, SM, and Bosco, etc.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by Stugotz » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:22 pm

I will give credit to any school, not just TL schools, that try to improve their program. There is nothing compelling about Servite basketball that will attract educated parents/players. It's laughable that Clinton can defend his decision to keep Morris.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by Exocet 98 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:18 pm

The LaPalma Generals have as much a chance in BB as LBP in waterpolo. :mrgreen:

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by RPW » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:27 pm

daddyooo wrote: Rosary has a competent basketball program. He'd probably lose.
The Rosary HC could not shoot a free throw in high school to save his life.
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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by Stugotz » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:46 pm

Yoon actually shot almost 90% from the free throw line in high school.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by daddyooo » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:47 pm

Exocet 98 wrote:The LaPalma Generals have as much a chance in BB as LBP in waterpolo. :mrgreen:
As things stand now, you are right. With institutional commitment, it can be different.

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Re: Servite basketball or whatever you want to call it

Post by Dailydose » Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:53 pm

I’ll bet you LBP water polo team could beat Servite basketball team in basketball.

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