Some polling nuggets

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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby Vilepagan » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:09 am

Luca wrote:Source of the post Again, I appreciate your response.


You're welcome.

It’s not my purpose to rebut any of the insightful observations that have been offered here, merely to try to understand the paradox of this Republican domination given the stupidity and corruption of the party and its voters.


Please take your sarcasm and condescension and put them where the sun don't shine, or I'll have to conclude you're attempting to demonstrate that Republican stupidity we've been discussing.


You may be familiar with the 2017 Gallup poll indicating that both major parties are in the minority with 42% identifying as independents, indicating that neither political party relies on a simple majority of registered voters.


Yet you called the Republicans "ascendant"...why is that?

If my assumption is then incorrect and you do not believe that the Democrats defer from engaging in the same unethical tactics as Republicans, then that would make it more puzzling to me why the Republican party is dominant.


If you're intent on demonstrating that Republican stupidity, I'm afraid I can't help you. I'f you wish to act as intelligent as I know you are, we can continue the discussion.

If they both employ the same unethical tactics (and both, as you have allowed, are therefore corrupt) then there must be some additional reasons.


Both political parties have people in them who are corrupt, but please do let me know when the Democrats refused to vote on a presidents SC nominee for over a year and claimed it was the right thing to do. Do let me know in which states the Democrats have engaged in voter suppression. This why I say the Republican Party is corrupt, because they do corrupt things as a group.

You have pointed out that Republicans in general are stupid and so my earlier question remains unanswered:.....


You know what Forrest Gump said..."stupid is as stupid does"...I'm only going by what they say say and do...including here. Mostly I think Republicans are stupid because of Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, and the ridiculous ingrates the Republicans have put in Congress like Louis Gohmert, Steve King and others too numerous to name. And the final reason is that Republicans keep voting these morons into office and do nothing to hold them accountable for their idiocy.


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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby Fordama » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:09 am

Luca wrote:I don’t see how you conclude that. Currently there is a Republican president, the US Senate is Republican controlled with 53, the Supreme Court has a conservative majority, 27 of 50 Governors are Republican, and 30 state legislature are Republican controlled....

And going back to this is where Luca went off the rails.

JQ's previous few posts, and mine, were about the California GOP. He projected it out to the entire nation.
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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby John Q. Public » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:21 am

And he slipped on a red herring and went off in a different direction.
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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby Fordama » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:20 pm

Luca wrote:So if individuals draw conclusions different from yours they must of necessity be like Jenny McCarthy, ill informed with baseless facts and clearly less intelligent. a

What? No? She's just--as you said it--appreciating different facts.

I guess you're saying there are no actual experts, just people who appreciate different facts.
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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby Luca » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:06 pm

You know, Fordama, I only responded to this thread initially when JQ – I think it was – made an offhand comment that "Republicans are stupid", or something to that effect.

I also cannot remember what philosopher – it may have been Wittgenstein or even Einstein – once said that the measure of intelligence was the ability to intellectually appreciate both sides of an argument.

I have rarely thought that people who disagreed with me – with the possible exception Wabash – were unintelligent. You are not, JQ isn’t and neither was the intentionally abrasive Omar, wherever he may be. I always figured that such people had a different perspective - sometimes based on emotion and sometimes on experience - on the same reality and that their different conclusions were intellectually defensible given that initial perspective. I thought the perspective might be wrong but, I didn’t assume such individuals "stupid". You teach math, as I recall. I sometimes wondered if the reason you always seemed to think there was one correct response to every situation - and you possessed it - was because of that math training. Idle speculation, of course.

I was simply curious, after giving several opportunities, whether somebody on this board would even condescendingly allow that perhaps – if just occasionally - those that disagreed with his conclusions were not stupid or racist or mysogynist or “homophobic” or white supremacist or whatever the disparagement du jour was, etc. etc.

It didn’t happen. That’s all I was interested in. You might wonder why this board over the last several months has grown quiet and where everybody went. They formed a new one where courtesy is required and knee jerk animosity forbidden. I don’t have anything more to add on this thread…………………………Luca

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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby Wabash » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:02 pm

Luca wrote:Source of the post with the possible exception Wabash – were unintelligent.

Which must be why you ran when I asked you a simple question about Robert E. Lee. You never put forth any counter argument to mine using any type of factual support.
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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby cruiser » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:07 pm

OUCH! - OUCH! - OUCH! LUCA's remarks...

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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby Wabash » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:16 pm

cruiser wrote:Source of the post OUCH! - OUCH! - OUCH! LUCA's remarks...

I've proven him wrong more times than the opposite. He's trying to pull a Nixon by declaring victory and going home.....Wabash
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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby Vilepagan » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:34 pm

Luca wrote:Source of the post I don’t have anything more to add on this thread…………………………Luca


Well after five paragraphs of name-dropping and off-topic nonsense, you haven't added much so far, but thank you for your response. :eh?:
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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby John Q. Public » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:38 pm

So. Luca. You think that closing the border is a good idea and a six-cent gas tax that takes effect in July is responsible for gas going up by a dollar last month. Got it. I guess I just have a "different perspective" than you do. Better?
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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby Vilepagan » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:19 am

Luca wrote:Source of the post You might wonder why this board over the last several months has grown quiet and where everybody went. They formed a new one where courtesy is required and knee jerk animosity forbidden.


You mean they made their own safe space where no one is allowed to say things they don't want to hear? How precious...and hypocritical for people who call others "snowflakes". I hope no one distresses them too much. :lol:
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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby Wabash » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:25 am

Luca wrote:Source of the post You might wonder why this board over the last several months has grown quiet and where everybody went.

Can't speak for others but I wasn't wondering that at all. I figured they were in therapy or looking for a safe space. Trump supporters have shown themselves to have the thinnest of all skins.

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This meme might be helpful for your new board................Wabash
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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby Fordama » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:47 pm

Luca wrote:You know, Fordama, I only responded to this thread initially when JQ – I think it was – made an offhand comment that "Republicans are stupid", or something to that effect.

A hundred words aren't always as valuable as a few.

You did not realize we had been referencing California Republicans, and we didn't realize you were confused.
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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby John Q. Public » Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:22 pm

Speaking of, like, the topic... this one's interesting. 42% think climate change is being underestimated.

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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby Wabash » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:39 am

No one from the Trump supporter team is on here boasting about his 39% approval rating in the wake of the Mueller report.

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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby John Q. Public » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:41 am

Congratulations.
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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby John Q. Public » Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:22 pm

Wording matters.

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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby broman » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:22 pm

Post Mueller report polling data

As with Trump’s approval rating, sharp partisanship marks views on impeachment. Support for starting impeachment proceedings is highest among blacks (69 percent), Hispanics (64 percent), Democrats (62 percent) and liberals (60 percent), while opposition peaks at 87 percent among Republicans.

there’s a closer split on whether Trump tried to interfere with the Russia investigation in a way that amounts to obstruction of justice, 47-41 percent. Again, sharp party lines are drawn. Eight in 10 Democrats and 73 percent of liberals see obstruction. Three-quarters to eight in 10 in Trump’s core support groups don’t – 80 percent of strong conservatives and 77 percent of Republicans and evangelical white Protestants alike.

Partisan divisions reemerge when it comes to Trump’s response to the investigation. As noted, 58 percent overall think he lied to the American public about the matters under investigation by Mueller; this rises to 61 percent including those who volunteer that he lied some and told the truth some. Ninety percent of Democrats think he lied, while 69 percent of Republicans think he told the truth. Among independents, 28 percent think Trump told the truth, while 61 percent say the president lied.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/31-trum ... d=62659425

Something to think about, the power in supporting Trump comes from denying/ignoring the facts and evidence most people still use to make informed decisions..

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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby John Q. Public » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:36 pm

New national polling from Quinnipiac:

Biden 53%, Trump 40%
Sanders 51%, Trump 42%
Harris 49%, Trump 41%
Warren 49%, Trump 42%
Buttigieg 47%, Trump 42%
Booker 47%, Trump 42%


Slow Painful Death 45%, Trump 44%
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Re: Some polling nuggets

Postby John Q. Public » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:18 am

Has the Republican strategy of labeling everything from universal health care to fighting climate change to having to ask for a straw "socialism" backfired on them?

Some 51% of Americans aged 18-29 have a positive view of socialism, according to one poll.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2019/ ... urgentleft (paywall)

I seriously doubt they think state ownership of the means of production is a good idea, but when they're continually told that what they think are good ideas are "Socialist!" it appears that they start accepting the label. Which, probably isn't such a good thing, really.
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