The Trinity League v. The United States of America

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The Trinity League v. The United States of America

Post by RedPillWonderland » Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:27 pm

Next Friday night, the 3rd ranked team in the USA, Jason Negro’s St. John Bosco Braves, open this big money showcase bringing some significant revenue to its still-infant stadium by hosting an appetizer against the Good Counsel Falcons out of Olney, MD and the DC version of the Trinity Lg — the Washington Catholic Athletic Conference (WCAC — same league as DeMatha and St Johns).

On Saturday afternoon, Pat Harlow’s JSerra Lions face the defending Georgia 7A state champions, Atlanta-area Milton High School.

Then, when the lights come on Saturday night, two heavyweights step in the ring.

1 v. 2 in the NATION. The 2-time defending national champions battle another nationally-constructed superteam that has publicly stated they want the throne (IMG 2018, SFA 2019).

Mater Dei. Baltimore Saint Frances Academy.

Trinity v. The USA. SoCal v. Everybody. Uhhh ... let’s discuss? Lol

LETS GET IT ON BABYYY!!

https://www.ocregister.com/2019/01/23/s ... socialflow

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Post by RedPillWonderland » Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:28 pm

Background on St Frances Academy and the Panthers unique football program (from my January reaction to the announcement of the matchups):
RedPillWonderland wrote:QR_BBPOST Some background on Mater Dei’s opponent - Baltimore Saint Frances: they are loaded every year and will be again this coming season.

Coached by Biff Poggi, one of the most successful HS coaches in Maryland history. They are the Bosco/Mater Dei of their area, not in overall resources, but in that they collect/attract most of the top talent in the local area. They also bring in a few kids per year from outside the state, however, especially Virginia and DC.

Poggi, also a rich businessman, formerly coached Baltimore Gilman HS to 13 Maryland private school state titles before leaving in 2016. After spending a year coaching at Michigan (where his son was a fullback), he took over league rival St Frances, which never had much of a football program and went winless in 2015. Has used his personal fortune to remake the program and support many of the boys on the team who are living below the poverty level in Baltimore. Quickly made SFA into a national powerhouse and destination school.
RedPillWonderland wrote:QR_BBPOST Alabama has signed 3 players from St Frances in Poggi’s first two seasons at the school, including the #1 ranked defensive end in the 2018 class Eyabi Anoma. SFA reportedly had 19 of their 22 starters in 2017 go D1, when they finished #4 nationally.

They became such a dominant team so quickly that the Baltimore area Catholic/private school league they were in (MIAA) revolted. Executed what some here have suggested should be done to MD/Bosco: last summer the schools in the league, one by one, announced they would not play St Frances, after getting outscored 342-50 in league games the prior season. They cited “safety concerns” and unfair recruiting and talent advantages. In doing so they essentially banned SFA from competing for a repeat league/state title.
RedPillWonderland wrote:QR_BBPOST St Frances was forced to play an all-national/international schedule on short notice in 2018, and unsurprisingly went undefeated. Although the schedule was mostly cupcakes, including multiple Canadian academies, they still finished in the top 10 of multiple national polls.

They outscored their 9 opponents 477-32 with 5 shutouts (also had a forfeit win). They did beat their best opponent, previously 15-0 Georgia 7A state champ Lee County HS, 43-14 in the season ending Geico State Champions Series. To end the 2017 season they beat Utah state champ and powerhouse Bingham 41-3 (in Utah) in the same series. They have won 32 of their last 33 games, and their last loss was to IMG in 2016.

Per 24/7 recruiting site, for the 2020 class they have 3 national top 100 recruits on defense, led by the #1 defensive end in the class - (another) Alabama commit, Chris Braswell. They have 6 total 4-star 2020 recruits on the team, all ranked in the national top 250 for the class and all major D1 recruits. And that’s just the top of the roster.

No doubt that will be a battle for the Monarchs and is perhaps the best national HSFB matchup announced thus far for 2019.

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Post by RedPillWonderland » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:35 pm

Washington Post article on the other teams in the Maryland Interscholastic Athletic Association (MIAA) colluding to forfeit all games against SFA in 2018, refusing to play due to alleged “safety concerns.”



The Panthers now are considered an independent MIAA team for 2019 and going forward, playing an entirely national schedule and none of their old local rivals.

I know I know, this makes some of you MD/Bosco haters salivate, this is what you’ve been saying, this is the solution blah blah blah lol

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Post by Playthegame » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:46 am

This makes a ton of sense, just have the National High School Football league, two conferences, four divisions, 16 games.

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Post by John Q. Public » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:26 am

Why don't they just call it road ball and skip the "school" nonsense altogether?
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Post by RedPillWonderland » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:53 am

RedPillWonderland wrote:QR_BBPOST
WantTheNFLBack714 wrote:
I keep hearing from elsewhere, many people expect St. Frances Academy from Baltimore, to be the team that ends the season finished at number 1 nationally.


OutOfState wrote:
I caught part of the St Frances game on TV this Saturday. They definitely pass the eye test as they destroyed what was supposedly a good nationally ranked team from Miami. They have athletes at every position and they remind me of IMG from past years in terms of talent across the board. One big difference from IMG is that St Frances appeared to play with discipline and ran good schemes. They will be a big test for MD.


This St Frances Academy squad might be the biggest HS team in history. There are NFL lines that don’t have that type of size and depth across the board. But they also mostly move like you’d expect 350lb 17 year olds to move: top heavy.

I watched the ESPN telecast of their matchup with Miami Central, and while SFA did dominate, Central was drastically overrated by some polls (MaxPreps preseason national #9 MC looked and sounded like a pop warner organization on the sidelines and the field). And I would disagree that SFA ran good schemes, at least offensively. They basically ran dive and power all game, which isn’t a bad idea if you can (which they could) but isn’t exactly a good scheme.

If they weren’t doing that, they just threw a swing pass to Michigan commit RB Blake Corum, or a slant to a 6-3 WR, and told them to break tackles and score, which they did. At this point, they are one dimensional offensively. Nothing impressive about their passing game. Central sat in coverage all game, with basic fronts & no movement, and basically took an a** whooping standing still. Eric Johnson ain’t doing that.

Now, SFA’s defense on the other hand ... whew boy ... well coached DUDES
Did SFA’s win over a down-year Miami Central team and two cupcakes prep them for this cross-country trip to face the current Kings of HS Football?

Is St. Frances more talented than 2018 IMG?

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Post by RedPillWonderland » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:28 am

2019 SFA Panthers roster breakdown and college commitments:



Co-Head Coach Biff Poggi
Co-Head Coach Henry Russell

Offense:

Offensive Coord. Chris Baucia (former OC at DeMatha and Baltimore powerhouse Gilman, and noted private QB coach)

QB: Soph John Griffith 6-2 206
(Offers incl LSU, MICH, TENN)

RB: Sr Blake Corum 5-8 205
(Michigan commit)
-Jr Joe Bray 5-11 205
(Offers from Southern Miss, Liberty)

WRs:

-Sr LJ Robinson 6-2 200
-Sr Jahmal Banks 6-3 175
(Wake Forest Commit)
-So Denylon Morrisette 6-2 185
(WVU offer)
-So Lamar Patterson 5-10 171
(UMass offer)
-Jr Isaiah Hardy 5-9 165

TE: Jr Joey Burns 6-2 245

OL:

LT Sr Michael Statham 6-6 330
(Pitt Commit)
LG Sr Micah Macuzza 6-5 335
(Michigan Commit)
C Sr Tyler Thomas 6-4 290
(Kent St Commit)
RG Jr Delfin Castillo 6-5 325
(Offers incl Alabama, TENN)
RT Sr Jakhi Green 6-6 320
(Maryland Commit)
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Post by jb914 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:40 am

Have not seen SFA play except for some YouTube clips against Miami Central. SFA has some big dudes, but, so does MD. Bryce has been locked in so far this season and against CC it appeared his longest throws were improvised scrambles. Ware-Hudson and CJ Williams look like Bru McCoy's in training. Add in Dixon, Epps and Zamora that's a difficult group to cover every play. Gauntlet schedule MD has this season nobody can say they have a bunch of cupcakes.

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Post by RedPillWonderland » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:09 pm

2019 SFA Panthers roster breakdown and college commitments:



Co-Head Coach Biff Poggi
Co-Head Coach Henry Russell

Defense:

Defensive Coordinator: Stan White (former Baltimore Colts/Detroit Lions LB in the 70s)

Starting DL:

DE Sr Chris Braswell 6-3 225
(Alabama Commit)
DE Sr Demon Clowney 6-4 220
(LSU Commit - cousin of Seahawks DE Jadeveon Clowney)
DT Sr Dominic Bailey 6-2 290
(Tennessee Commit)
DT Jr Katron Evans 6-4 293
(32 Offers incl BAMA, Clemson, Oh St, MICH, Penn St, Oklahoma, UGA)

Reserve DL:

-So DE Derrick Moore 6-4 245
(20th overall recruit nationally in Class of 2022, offers incl Florida LSU Michigan Tenn)
-So DT Nasir Pearce 6-3 275
(78th overall recruit nationally in Class of 2022, Offers incl UGA, LSU, MICH, TAMU, TENN)
-Jr DE Zion Shockley 6-3 225
(Offers incl WVU, Nebraska)
-Sr DE Bryce Johnson-Maith 6-5 200
(Buffalo Commit)
-Sr DT Jonathan Wallace 6-3 315
(Offers incl Michigan Wisconsin WVU)
-Sr DT Jonathan Wallace 6-3 350
-Sr DT Kenard Carter 6-1 280
-Sr DT Jonathan Chambers 6-2 280

(the size/depth on this DL is crazy)

Linebackers:

Sr Osman Savage 6-2 228
(Michigan Commit)
Sr Nikhi Hill-Green 6-1 230
(Michigan Commit)
Jr Aaron Willis 6-0 200
(Offers incl BAMA, LSU, Clemson, MICH, FLA, TENN)
Jr Javon Dumas-Johnson 6-2 225
(Offers incl WVU Rutgers)

CB:

Sr Luke Hill 5-11 180
(Oregon Commit)
Jr Clinton Burton 5-11 175
(Florida Commit)
So Cam Johnson 6-0 165
(Offers incl Penn St, TAMU, WVU)

Safeties:

Sr Jordan Toles 6-3 200
(LSU football/basketball commit)
Sr Breon Noel 5-10 180
Sr Al-Mahi Ali 5-11 170
(UMass Commit)

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Post by RedPillWonderland » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:46 pm

This St Frances Academy team is literally from all over the map, basically like an IMG North or a small college team in terms of coming together from various hometowns.

See below for a breakdown of where Biff Poggi — the multi-millionaire businessman, longtime SFA school board member, football program CEO, and co-head coach of the team — recruited his team from (reminder: SFA is located near downtown Baltimore, Maryland):

Starting with the offense:

QB:

So John Griffith - Linthicum MD (Baltimore area - started at QB for SFA in 2018 as a 9th grader)

RBs:

Sr Blake Corum - Rectortown VA (transferred to SFA from Pallotti HS in Laurel MD)

Jr Joe Bray - Chesapeake VA (transfer from Oscar C Smith HS)

WRs:

Sr LJ Robinson - Baltimore MD (4 yr SFA team member)

Sr Jahmal Banks - Bethesda MD/Arlington VA (Bishop OConnell (VA) HS transfer)

So Denylon Morrisette - Decatur GA (Atlanta) (transfer from Marietta (GA) HS)

So Lamar Patterson - Orlando FL (Kissimmee Liberty HS transfer)

Jr Isaiah Hardy - Baltimore MD (Milford Mill HS transfer)

So Ike White - Philadelphia PA (St Joes Prep HS transfer (July 2019))

TE:

Jr Joey Burns - Huntingtown MD (southern MD, 57 miles south of St Frances Academy - began HS at SFA)

OL:

LT Sr Michael Statham - Philadelphia PA (Imhotep Charter HS transfer)

LG Sr Micah Mazzucca - Philadelphia PA (Neumann Goretti HS transfer)

C Sr Tyler Thomas - Brandywine MD (transfer from Gwynn Park HS in Prince George’s County near DC, 50 miles from Baltimore)

RG Jr Delfin Castillo - Orlando FL (transfer from Kissimmee Osceola HS)

RT Sr Jakhi Green - Landover MD (PG County MD, 41 miles from SFA) (4 year St Frances team member)

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Post by RedPillWonderland » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:18 pm

This St Frances Academy team is literally from all over the map, basically like an IMG North or a small college team in terms of coming together from various hometowns.

See below for a breakdown of where Biff Poggi — the multi-millionaire businessman, longtime SFA school board member, football program CEO, and co-head coach of the team — recruited his team from (reminder: SFA is located near downtown Baltimore, Maryland):

The defense:

DL:

Sr DE Chris Braswell - Baltimore MD (4 year SFA player)

Sr DE Demon Clowney - Baltimore MD (freshman year at St Johns (DC) before transfer to SFA)

DT Sr Dominic Bailey - Salisbury MD (111 miles from SFA; transfer from Wicomico HS)

DT Jr Katron Evans - Norfolk VA (summer transfer from Granby HS)

Reserve DL:

So DE Derrick Moore - Baltimore MD (SFA varsity DL as a 9th grader last season)

So DT Nasir Pearce - Baltimore MD (SFA varsity DL as a 9th grader last season)

Jr DE Zion Shockley - Berlin MD (134 miles from SFA; transfer from Decatur HS)

Sr DE Bryce Johnson-Maith - Burtonsville MD (transfer from Paint Branch HS - Montgomery County area - 25 miles south of Baltimore)

Sr DT Jonathan Wallace - Wilmington DE (4 year player at SFA)

Linebackers:

Sr Osman Savage - Baltimore MD (4 year SFA player)

Sr Nikhi Hill-Green - Pittsburgh PA (spring transfer from North Catholic HS in Pittsburgh)

Jr Aaron Willis - Richmond VA (All years at SFA)

Jr Jamon Dumas-Johnson - Landover MD (PG County MD, 41 miles from SFA) (All years at SFA)

CB:

Sr Luke Hill - Temple Hills MD (45 miles from Baltimore; spring transfer from St Johns (DC))

Jr Clinton Burton - Richmond VA (All years at SFA)

So Cam Johnson - Washington DC (DeMatha transfer)

Safeties:

Sr Jordan Toles - Randallstown MD (Baltimore area - 4 year SFA varsity player - football and basketball - legit high major hoops and football prospect headed to LSU)

Sr Breon Noel - Baltimore MD (4 year SFA player)

Sr Al Mahi Ali - Philadelphia PA (MLK HS spring transfer)

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Post by Vernster52 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:23 am

Sounds a lot like Findlay Prep in basketball a few years ago.

Mater Dei has their hands full.

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Post by KuppRunneth » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:42 am

SFA defense is ridiculous.

Going to give MD everything they have but I'm not sure their offense can keep up.

I won't miss this one.

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Post by RedPillWonderland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:55 am

KuppRunneth wrote:QR_BBPOST F Gorman. They should have been playing Bosco but instead, chickened out.

Servite should have been playing Liberty.
RedPillWonderland wrote:QR_BBPOST Hmmm.

People have been saying the same thing about Bosco choosing to play Good Counsel in this week’s TRINITY v USA showcase that they are hosting, instead of St Frances — who was matched up with Mater Dei.

Just saying ...
bodhi wrote:QR_BBPOST Why would Bosco play St. Frances? It is the Number 1(Mater Dei) vs Number 2 (St. Frances) in the nation on Saturday.
cruiser wrote:QR_BBPOST Well, if you are hosting the event, you get to schedule who you want, personally I don't think Bosco will have much trouble with the school they will be playing, while MD got the toughest of the bunch....
OutOfState wrote:QR_BBPOST I agree that Bosco shouldn’t be tested in its 5 out of state pre-league games. Since Bosco is the host sight for the MD/St Frances game did they have the option of playing St Frances instead of Good Counsel?
To bodhi’s comment, the TL v USA games were scheduled and organized in January — when Cruiser made his comment above. There obviously were no rankings then. Some are still wondering how these TL v USA matchups were set (see OutOfState’s recent comment above).

We all know that SJB is no little brother; we are talking about the top 3 teams in the nation here, in whatever order you want to put them in.

If we want to factor these EARLY SEASON polls in (which didn’t release until the late summer, well after these games were set), Bosco actually is currently ranked higher than St Frances in multiple polls, and is neck and neck with MD for #1. Per the MaxPreps computer rankings last week, a matchup of SFA v SJB would be 1 v 2 as well.

The contention made in the quote above was that when scheduling its Vegas showcase (the Polynesian Classic) around the same time (January), Gorman ducked Bosco in favor of a lesser opponent (Servite).

Some have wondered whether Bosco — in putting together this showcase — ducked St Frances in favor of a lesser opponent (Good Counsel). Comparable situations and it’s a fair question.

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Post by RedPillWonderland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:29 am

Regardless of whether you take offense to even the slightest implication that Bosco could be playing SFA on Saturday night instead of GC on Friday night, it just seems like they would WANT to.

It seems like, for Bosco Football, where (1) the public program mission statement is to compete annually for national titles (not just league, CIF, or state) and (2) they had another loaded 2019 team returning when they scheduled this — led by maybe the best player and prospect in program history (with of course MANY transfers coming to Bellflower after these games were set in January) — if ANYBODY is going to get matched up with a national powerhouse and fellow projected top-5 team like St Frances, ON BOSCO’S FIELD, it’s going to be BOSCO.

But I guess Jason Negro was ok with giving the prime time Saturday game against the best out of state opponent ... to his biggest rival?? At the very least, that’s a bit weird.

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Post by BigBosco » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:35 am

Who knows how these games are determined.

SJB may have wanted to avoid playing on Saturday in this case as they have a game the following Friday in Hawaii against Mililani.

They'll be traveling to Hawaii early in the week next week.

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Post by RedPillWonderland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:39 am

If Mater Dei goes unbeaten this season, a win over SFA would likely end up as the biggest out of state boost to their 2019 mythical national title resume.

Even if they finish as state champs with a loss along the way (similar to last season), a win over SFA could put them in the national title conversation (again).

SJB’s non league schedule is shaping up to be very weak — no disrespect to “national #5” DeMatha (MaxPreps computer poll whatcha doin? lol), or Liberty and Don Bosco Prep (who are a combined 0-5). Given SJB had to do a national social media broadcast to try to get games, and allegedly had some teams agree and back out, it seems like the Braves wouldn’t have wanted to give Mater Dei (of all teams) this type of huge opportunity to beat SFA and move into an unquestioned early #1 position. Plus, a Mater Dei loss wouldn’t help Bosco’s case either, given MD is without question the best opponent on their schedule.

Since no one here likely knows what truly went on and how these national opponents were distributed to the TL teams when this was set up, it’s certainly interesting to discuss.

Its been said that the same showcase will happen again next year with new opponents (potentially hosted by MD), so maybe MD agreed they would take SFA this year if they could take the second or third best national opponent in 2020, like Bosco did this year.
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Post by jb914 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:44 am

good info redpill.

I remember a few years ago it was Bosco who was traveling east to play St. Johns and STA while MD was playing what some called a "cupcake" schedule.

I see this SFA game vs MD as another classic like MD vs IMG. I'm kinda surprised though didn't CIF say you can't play OOS teams unless the team competes for their state league/championship? I thought SFA was essentially shunned by the other league teams who would not play them anymore since they openly recruit? I don't have all the details on the exact situation, but, seems like SFA is the same as IMG? --:--

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Post by RedPillWonderland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:03 pm

BigBosco wrote:QR_BBPOST SJB may have wanted to avoid playing on Saturday in this case as they have a game the following Friday in Hawaii against Mililani.

They'll be traveling to Hawaii early in the week next week.
That may be part of the reason, but I’m not sure the Mililani game was even set when the TL v USA games were being put together, and even if it was, let’s be honest: Bosco could probably sit DJ and the starters, play it’s 3rd-team kids and still beat Mililani comfortably. It’s not like they need a full week’s rest. There’s a reason they are leaving early next week: so they can enjoy their expensive trip to the beautiful islands of Hawaii. Not because they are worried about prepping for or losing to Mililani.

And that’s no disrespect to a proud Mililani Trojans program, alma mater of UCF QB McKenzie Milton and former Broncos Super Bowl champ DL Ma’a Tanuvasa. They are 5-0 right now, annually good, and they are probably the best public school in Hawaii this year.

But Bosco is going to be a little tougher than what they’ve seen so far from Pineapple High and Coconut Academy.

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Post by RedPillWonderland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:23 pm

jb914 wrote:QR_BBPOST I remember a few years ago it was Bosco who was traveling east to play St. Johns and STA while MD was playing what some called a "cupcake" schedule.
Yeah exactly, and that was the year (2017) that MD ended up beating Nevada state champ Gorman (when they were coming off 3 straight national titles and were still loaded) and brutalizing eventual New Jersey state champ Bergen Catholic, 62-14.
jb914 wrote:QR_BBPOST I see this SFA game vs MD as another classic like MD vs IMG.
It certainly feels like that type of game again, especially considering SFA has kids from Florida, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Georgia and Washington DC and half the counties in Maryland making up their roster. And considering their co-Head coach is a multi-millionaire who personally pays the mortgage on waterfront condos in Baltimore that function as dorms for his out of state players and non-Baltimore natives.

The Panthers last loss was actually a 38-0 beatdown by IMG at the end of the 2016 season. They have won 26 straight since. They host a rematch with IMG next month in Baltimore.
jb914 wrote:QR_BBPOST I'm kinda surprised though didn't CIF say you can't play OOS teams unless the team competes for their state league/championship? I thought SFA was essentially shunned by the other league teams who would not play them anymore since they openly recruit? I don't have all the details on the exact situation, but, seems like SFA is the same as IMG?
St Frances’ opponents in their state private school division (Maryland Interscholastic Athletic Association) did refuse to play them before the 2018 season, after they had swept the prior two titles. That included their coach and program benefactor Biff Poggi’s alma mater, Gilman HS, where he previously coached for almost 20 years.

But they never were forced to leave the MIAA: they won the league/division last season by default because the other teams’ forfeit decisions came so late, and they are now considered an MIAA “independent” team — but are still a member of the association.

So unlike IMG, who is a truly independent prep/boarding school and not part of the FHSAA or any state association in Florida, the rule doesn’t apply to SFA in the same way.

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