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A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

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A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

Postby daddyooo » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:48 pm

On a sales trip last week had the chance to fulfill a major bucket list item-to see live top-level (6A) HSFB in Texas-which I accomplished last Friday. Southlake Carroll vs Guyer (Denton)-two state top 10 teams (both top 50 nationally). Carroll won 46-34

My observations:

1) Carroll is superbly coached. Masters of throw-first spread-receivers all ran perfect routes, QB big time talent with very bright future (sophomore Quinn Ewers).
2) Guyer is very talented, not as well coached (wouldn't say poorly coached though). Definitely won the eyeball test.
3) Couldn't understand why Guyer didn't try to put more pressure on QB. They ran the same 4 man front the entire game, no blitz packages-which gave the QB unlimited time to throw.
4) Stadium was best HSFB stadium I've ever been in. No running track, all the bells/whistles, great parking, concessions, sightlines. Closest thing to it in southern CA is Santa Ana Bowl (Mater Dei's home field)-which needs renovations.
5)The "show" around the game (bands, cheerleaders, etc) is light years ahead of the best in CA. Bands sound like D-1 college bands, not HS bands.

For this audience-don't think either team would bother Bosco/Mater Dei, but would be more than a handful for anyone else. MD equal coaching level to Carroll, but with D-1 talent at every position. Same for Bosco. Having said that-you put the Carroll QB in at either school and you wouldn't miss a beat.



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Re: A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

Postby crayegg » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:19 am

Great post, thanks.


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Re: A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

Postby daddyooo » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:18 am

why would he go to MD? Carroll is a top-notch program with great tradition and coaching. Not the same level of talent (especially at skill spots) as you would have at MD or Bosco though.

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Re: A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

Postby Moose » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:04 pm

Who is saying the Carrol QB is transferring? We already have good QB in waiting. Is he really good enough to play at MD?

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Re: A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

Postby BuckW » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:27 pm

Mr. Moose that QB in waiting will never start a meaningful varsity game for MD. There will be a transfer QB arriving at MD in January.

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Re: A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

Postby RedPillWonderland » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:37 am

I’ve seen Texas HSFB in person too, and it is quite the show. The whole weekend really, from pep rally to postgame ho-down. Amazing atmosphere, and the towns really do shut down for games, even the Dallas suburbs which are densely populated. The kids are little celebrities for their short varsity careers, signs in the yard, full school full town pep rallies every week. Varsity Blues. Coach Kilmer. “I’ve won 23 district titles!” All that.

The facilities, 20 man coaching staffs, pristine $70M stadiums, and big money booster clubs are all very impressive until you start realizing Texas ball is mostly pomp and circumstance. Most of the thousands of teams in the thousands of little towns there would get embarrassed if they left the state to play top competition, which is why the Texas UIL (High School association) is so adamant that they only play home games against out of state competition.

That includes the 6A teams, who are not necessarily any more well coached or trained than California teams — who also train year round (too much) in even better weather and have access to just as much team and private coaching.

There are only 3-4 current teams in the entire Lone Star state that could even compete with MD/Bosco, and they are all nationally ranked. Not even Duncanville, who I’ve seen on film beating the same St Johns team MD beat (in Texas of course), has the horses or the scheme/team to win a head to head with MD/SJB this year, especially not if they had to travel to SoCal (which they won’t).

The proud Texans would use recruiting as an excuse, as if Allen hasn’t recruited entire families of transfers and middle schoolers to move into its district, even before Kyler Murray’s dad Kevin moved them in from Lewisville. And as if Duncanville doesn’t get kids from all around Dallas since hiring Dallas Skyline High’s former coach, including robbing neighboring DeSoto and Cedar Hill’s districts for players. And as if North Shore’s district isn’t a player magnet for the best kids from around Houston.

Texas has a ton more programs and the monetary investment into each one is unparalleled around the country. But their best teams couldn’t beat California’s best, even in their own packed stadiums. They are still steaming about Gorman and it’s “unfair advantages” coming in and boat racing Dallas area power Cedar Hill on ESPN 3 years ago. That’s partly why they ducked games against the Golden State’s best this offseason.

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Re: A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

Postby Moose » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:21 am

There is really good football in Texas...You say there is only 3-4 teams that could compete with MD/SJB. I will take your word on that. How many in California can do the same?

You speak of BG beating CH TX and leave out that BG also beat CIF best team SJB that year and did it with some really good players out with injuries.

I know after that one team in Texas beat DLS - I would stay cool until one of our best proves It on the field.

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Re: A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

Postby John Q. Public » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:55 am

Man, I wish you guys would spell out the names of schools. "BG" to me means Bassett Grande, which is the name of a gang, "SJB" sounds like a coffee and "DLS" sounds like a delivery service. I feel like I need to hire a codetalker. ](*,)
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Re: A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

Postby John Q. Public » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:26 am

Closer to BG than I am to BG.
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Re: A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

Postby daddyooo » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:15 am

From what I saw-I'm not convinced that Carroll/Guyer could compete with MD/SJB. They would both have a hard time with CC/JSerra/MV also. Carroll is CDM or Calabasas -all three have problems against teams that can run and pass and pressure their QB.

The "show" is unparalled though. Bands sound like Power 5 college bands, cheer squads/baton girls, et unparalled.



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Re: A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

Postby John Q. Public » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:02 pm

Don't look at me, I just work here.

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Re: A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

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Re: A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

Postby John Q. Public » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:03 pm

Irony - "OutOfState" complaining that someone is from out of state.

And it's "who" and "site".
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Postby John Q. Public » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:12 pm

It isn't. But being unwelcoming to new members is. Regardless of where you think they're from.
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Re: A TL parent sees Texas HSFB live for the first time-observations

Postby Omar Bongo » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:20 pm

Enough fellas, let's get back to raving about TX HS bands
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