San Clemente is out of the playoffs

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San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by SuperMonster » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:48 pm

Is out of the playoffs. Ineligible player.
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Re: San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by OutOfState » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:27 pm

Lol
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Post by Omar Bongo » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:35 pm

Well at least they caught it early so the whole season wasn't forfeited...oh wait

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Re: San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by Daforno » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:52 pm

How is this even remotely possible???

You want us to believe that the administration, the football staff, boosters, parents, NO ONE KNEW!!!

Maybe it was one of those "minor" C.I.F. technicalities!!!!

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Re: San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by John Q. Public » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:55 pm

CIFSS tweeted the press release on this if anyone wants, like, actual information about it.

https://twitter.com/CIFSS/status/119692 ... 15232?s=20
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Post by Omar Bongo » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:02 pm

Per Steve Fryer tweet:
"San Clemente forfeited all of its games because the ineligible player participated in all of its games..."

Interesting Rancho Verde (SC's last victim) fans are twitterbombing that they should be able to play Chaminade this week because this was known before the game was played...it won't happen but I'd say they have a case

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Re: San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by SK80 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:16 pm

Daforno wrote:
> How is this even remotely possible???
>
> You want us to believe that the administration, the football staff,
> boosters, parents, NO ONE KNEW!!!
>
> Maybe it was one of those "minor" C.I.F. technicalities!!!!

"NO ONE KNEW"?

During the summer 7v7 tournament at HB I heard multiple stories about two SC players, one regarding a transfer the other being a student athlete likely over the age limits set forth by CIF. So with this news today I am not shocked in the least.

Disclaimer: I can not verify anything I heard or overheard at that tourney, simply saying I am not completely shocked reading this story this evening.

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Post by SoCalFball » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:57 pm

Hmm what if CIF investigated Bosco and MD I wonder what they would overturn

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Re: San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by Professor Fate » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:08 pm

by Omar Bongo » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:02 pm
Interesting Rancho Verde (SC's last victim) fans are twitterbombing that they should be able to play Chaminade this week because this was known before the game was played...it won't happen but I'd say they have a case.

Why won't it happen? It's happened before. St. Paul clobbered Pioneer HS 44-8 in 1974.

St. Paul had to forfeit for spying on Pioneer's practices.

Pioneer was awarded a 1-0 forfeit win, and advanced to the 2nd round, losing to Newport Harbor 37-0.

Come on CIF...Let RV advance to the semifinals against Chaminade.
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Post by Omar Bongo » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:04 pm

>Why won't it happen?

Logistics. Chaminade has been told they have the week off, no time to prepare. Likewise for the venue.

BTW...St.Paul feeling they had to spy on Pioneer...LOL
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Re: San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by Omar Bongo » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:08 pm

SK80 wrote:
> Disclaimer: I can not verify anything I heard or overheard at that tourney, simply
> saying I am not completely shocked reading this story this evening.

One would think that would preclude you from posting unsubstantiated gossip here, but maybe I'm just old fashioned...

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Re: San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by Daforno » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:14 pm

Typical San Clemente cheats, so let's look at Bosco and MD

Go away!!!

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Re: San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by SK80 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:53 am

Omar Bongo wrote:
> SK80 wrote:
> > Disclaimer: I can not verify anything I heard or overheard at that tourney,
> simply
> > saying I am not completely shocked reading this story this evening.
>
> One would think that would preclude you from posting unsubstantiated gossip here, but
> maybe I'm just old fashioned...

Maybe you have not read nor heard San Clemente Head Coach Jamie Ortiz...?

"Speaking in July at a passing tournament, San Clemente coach Jaime Ortiz said Billoups moved to San Clemente from Long Beach." ~ Coach Ortiz https://www.ocregister.com/2019/11/19/s ... two-rules/

"unsubstantiated gossip" would have precluded any such statement or report we all see now. I simply stated now that this story has legs as they say in the journalism business that I heard the same thing as I was there at that Huntington Beach Tournement.

Had I been on message boards all season passing such "unsubstantiated gossip" your accusation would be valid. My comments here are the first on the subject only after CIF had made its statement, The Orange County Register running it's article which included a statement by the head coach that "transfers" to San Clemente were being discussed at an off season event.

It is knowledge now that San Clemente is filing an appeal. For whatever reason should it be overturned, I could find some solace in the fact that so many student athletes on the SC football team put in so much hard work to get to where they did. Even if it proves true that they did get there with an ineligible player, it doesn't take away from the rest efforts. Tough times at San Clemente.
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Re: San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by hit the lights » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:10 am

Well, this kills the brand, one town, one team, and will probably put Ortiz on the chopping block.
They will never be #1 in the south coast and arent even top 5 in OC, with their out of area player.
Was it worth it??? SELFISH!!! Alot of these coaches have forgot what coaching kids is all about. Instant gratification,cheat, and win at all costs, even blowing a season for 50 plus kids in your program for ego.
Some coaches go as as far as re tweeting recruiting propaganda, as if they didnt tweet it themselves., clever!
Social media, is a way of illegal recruiting, especially by coaches. Coaches have no right to tell a player to stay off, when they are the worst example for it. Guilty by association?? It will be much easier to shut down a coach or program when they constantly incriminate themselves.
In San Clemente's case, keeping up with the Jones's, and bringing in a kid from Long Beach, just tainted the program, and it may not recover? Just remember, when you wrong loyal people, Karma has a way of coming back and biting you in the ass. Let Verde and Chaminade play, CIF might not have a choice, if they pursue legal actions. This could be the one that puts CIF IN A MUST CRACK DOWN SENARIO.
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Re: San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by Omar Bongo » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:54 am

SK80 wrote:
> Had I been on message boards all season passing such "unsubstantiated
> gossip" your accusation would be valid

I made no "accusation". What I stated was a fact- it is indeed spreading rumors and/or unsubstantiated gossip when you preface with, "I have no idea if this is true, but I heard a story.... (Good word choice, though, "story" sounds much better than "rumor".)

Just because there's an article in the paper TODAY (your link is worthless, BTW, can't read it if you don't pay, but I believe you) that doesn't conveniently rewrite history for you. You yourself admitted you had no idea if it was true at the time you repeated it.

Preclude that...

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Post by OCurbanlegend » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:45 am

SoCalFball wrote:
> Hmm what if CIF investigated Bosco and MD I wonder what they would overturn

Hmmm...here's what you don't get they investigate them all the time.

However not so sure they do that to ALL the others constantly breaking the rules. i.e. everyone else.

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Re: San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by jb914 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:38 pm

instead of punishing the kids who didn't do anything why not a big fat fine on the school on the program and kid has to sit out rest of year or part of next year if he is still eligible? I bet that would stop the shenanigans.

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Re: San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by sportsfan12 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:18 pm

If CIF enforced Bylaw 510 as written there would be no legal high school football played in CA

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Re: San Clemente is out of the playoffs

Post by insidetrinity » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:44 pm

jb914 wrote:
> instead of punishing the kids who didn't do anything why not a big fat fine
> on the school on the program and kid has to sit out rest of year or part of
> next year if he is still eligible? I bet that would stop the shenanigans.


I can’t imagine cif has the power right now to fine a school and I can’t imagine any schools wanting to put themselves in that type of jeopardy. There are also a lot of schools that run on very tight budgets and getting a big fine would do severe damage to the school

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