First Charges filed by Mueller

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby John Q. Public » Fri May 17, 2019 9:21 am

Last week we added "tariffs" to the list of things Don doesn't understand, this week we add "TREASON."




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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby crayegg » Fri May 17, 2019 11:04 am

Makes sense, Donny thinks he is a king.

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby Wabash » Fri May 17, 2019 11:55 am

Sally Yates- Flynn is trouble. Don't hire him.

Barack Obama- Flynn is trouble. Don't hire
him.

James Comey- Flynn is trouble. Don't hire
him.

The cashier at Target- Flynn is trouble. Don't
hire him.

Donald Trump- WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL
ME ABOUT FLYNN?!?!
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby broman » Fri May 17, 2019 7:20 pm

POTUS is public declaring members of the FBI/DOJ committed treason, the Attorney General dam near saying the same thing..... The Democrats have the Mueller report, the latest Flynn revelations but won't pull the trigger on impeachment or even talk about because it will alienate moderates and independents. Grow a pair Dems, you can't avoided the fight.

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby John Q. Public » Sat May 18, 2019 4:29 pm

A series of tweets from Justin Amash (R Michigan). Copied and pasted after the first one. I think they're in order. It's good to see that somebody has a spine.



I offer these conclusions only after having read Mueller’s redacted report carefully and completely, having read or watched pertinent statements and testimony, and having discussed this matter with my staff, who thoroughly reviewed materials and provided me with further analysis.

In comparing Barr’s principal conclusions, congressional testimony, and other statements to Mueller’s report, it is clear that Barr intended to mislead the public about Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s analysis and findings.

Barr’s misrepresentations are significant but often subtle, frequently taking the form of sleight-of-hand qualifications or logical fallacies, which he hopes people will not notice.

Under our Constitution, the president “shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” While “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is not defined, the context implies conduct that violates the public trust.

Contrary to Barr’s portrayal, Mueller’s report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment.

In fact, Mueller’s report identifies multiple examples of conduct satisfying all the elements of obstruction of justice, and undoubtedly any person who is not the president of the United States would be indicted based on such evidence.

Impeachment, which is a special form of indictment, does not even require probable cause that a crime (e.g., obstruction of justice) has been committed; it simply requires a finding that an official has engaged in careless, abusive, corrupt, or otherwise dishonorable conduct.

While impeachment should be undertaken only in extraordinary circumstances, the risk we face in an environment of extreme partisanship is not that Congress will employ it as a remedy too often but rather that Congress will employ it so rarely that it cannot deter misconduct.

Our system of checks and balances relies on each branch’s jealously guarding its powers and upholding its duties under our Constitution. When loyalty to a political party or to an individual trumps loyalty to the Constitution, the Rule of Law—the foundation of liberty—crumbles.

We’ve witnessed members of Congress from both parties shift their views 180 degrees—on the importance of character, on the principles of obstruction of justice—depending on whether they’re discussing Bill Clinton or Donald Trump.

Few members of Congress even read Mueller’s report; their minds were made up based on partisan affiliation—and it showed, with representatives and senators from both parties issuing definitive statements on the 448-page report’s conclusions within just hours of its release.

America’s institutions depend on officials to uphold both the rules and spirit of our constitutional system even when to do so is personally inconvenient or yields a politically unfavorable outcome. Our Constitution is brilliant and awesome; it deserves a government to match it.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby Vilepagan » Sat May 18, 2019 4:36 pm

John Q. Public wrote:Source of the post It's good to see that somebody has a spine.


And somewhat surprisingly...a brain. Well said, Mr. Amash.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby John Q. Public » Sat May 18, 2019 6:02 pm

At first I was thinking that impeachment might be politically inconvenient, but now I'm thinking it's their responsibility to impeach, regardless of consequences. The violations of his oath of office and his Article II job description are too important to ignore.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby John Q. Public » Sat May 18, 2019 7:33 pm

I couldn't agree more. It's about time somebody said this.

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby Wabash » Sun May 19, 2019 7:13 am

And of course our president with a 12 year old's mentality immediately lashed out and called him a "loser."
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby Red » Sun May 19, 2019 8:11 am

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You libs are living in another universe. Wait until the Inspector General's report becomes public. But then again, here is lies the problem, you and the criminal media will never be embarrassed about how wrong you are. What kills me is the fact you enjoyed the Soviet like attack on the opposition party. Now if Barr misrepresented Mueller's where is Mueller to defend himself? How sad your hatefulness overrides any common sense you may have had. Keep hating!
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby Vilepagan » Sun May 19, 2019 8:57 am

Red wrote:Source of the post Wait until the Inspector General's report becomes public.


I'm happy to wait...are you? You seem to think you know what it says already.

Like Mr. Amash said in his tweet, it's about whether or not you've read the report, and clearly you haven't.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby John Q. Public » Sun May 19, 2019 9:50 am

It seems Trump fans are being encouraged to *not* read the report - or the "dossier" as the Machine is calling it. Not that I think many of them could. It's a long, dry, difficult read and he has virtually no support at the educational level required to even get through it, much less to make sense of it. Maybe if there was a "For Dummies"/Readers Digest version of it.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby broman » Sun May 19, 2019 12:44 pm

Why are the Democrats not on the Sunday shows pounding this message? Making GOP Senators and Representatives publicly defend whats in the report. Instead, Romney was on T.V. making excuses about why he can't make a stand on principle. :steam:

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby broman » Sun May 19, 2019 2:19 pm

Hmm..... Is Barr emboldened enough to step in on this one? I assume this is farmed out SDNY.

Anti-money laundering specialists at Deutsche Bank recommended in 2016 and 2017 that multiple transactions involving legal entities controlled by Donald J. Trump and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, be reported to a federal financial-crimes watchdog.

The transactions, some of which involved Mr. Trump’s now-defunct foundation, set off alerts in a computer system designed to detect illicit activity, according to five current and former bank employees. Compliance staff members who then reviewed the transactions prepared so-called suspicious activity reports that they believed should be sent to a unit of the Treasury Department that polices financial crimes.

But executives at Deutsche Bank, which has lent billions of dollars to the Trump and Kushner companies, rejected their employees’ advice.

Real estate developers like Mr. Trump and Mr. Kushner sometimes do large, all-cash deals, including with people outside the United States, any of which can prompt anti-money laundering reviews. The red flags raised by employees do not necessarily mean the transactions were improper. Banks sometimes opt not to file suspicious activity reports if they conclude their employees’ concerns are unwarranted.
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Wasn't this the same type of connections that some of our long lost conservatives friends believed took place with Uranium One?

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby John Q. Public » Mon May 20, 2019 10:35 am

Today's thread. None of it would need to be said if people would read the damned report.



In fact, there were many crimes revealed by the investigation, some of which were charged, and some of which were not but are nonetheless described in Mueller’s report.

2. They say obstruction of justice requires an underlying crime.

In fact, obstruction of justice does not require the prosecution of an underlying crime, and there is a logical reason for that. Prosecutors might not charge a crime precisely *because* obstruction of justice denied them timely access to evidence that could lead to a prosecution.

If an underlying crime were required, then prosecutors could charge obstruction of justice only if it were unsuccessful in completely obstructing the investigation. This would make no sense.

3. They imply the president should be permitted to use any means to end what he claims to be a frivolous investigation, no matter how unreasonable his claim.

In fact, the president could not have known whether every single person Mueller investigated did or did not commit any crimes.

4. They imply “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” requires charges of a statutory crime or misdemeanor.

In fact, “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is not defined in the Constitution and does not require corresponding statutory charges. The context implies conduct that violates the public trust—and that view is echoed by the Framers of the Constitution and early American scholars.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby broman » Mon May 20, 2019 12:35 pm

Still hoping the Democrats keep this fire light. Based on the response to Amash in last 24hours, there is not a rebuttal beyond cult like loyalty to Trump and ignoring the evidence.

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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby John Q. Public » Mon May 20, 2019 1:17 pm

Do Republicans really have that little confidence in Pence? I don't get it.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby Vilepagan » Tue May 21, 2019 2:50 am

I thought this FOX News headline was interesting...

Federal judge sides with House Democrats over subpoena for Trump’s financial records

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federa ... ial-record

The story relates how a Federal Judge, Amit P. Mehta, issued a ruling unfavorable to trump's efforts at stonewalling his political opponents over his personal financial records.

What I find interesting is how FOX frames this as a move by the judge to side with Democrats, rather than a story about a judge upholding the law. I guess they don't have much confidence in a judge appointed by Obama.
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby Wabash » Tue May 21, 2019 5:53 am

Guess who serves as the chief judge in the circuit court where the appeals in the legal battles between Congress and Trump will be heard?

Merrick Garland
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Re: First Charges filed by Mueller

Postby Vilepagan » Tue May 21, 2019 7:35 am

There's a certain irony in that...
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