...Much credit for the breakthrough must go to South Korean President Moon Jae-in, the son of refugees from the North, who has pushed for dialogue with the Kim regime since his May election, spearheading symbolic cooperation such as marching under a unified flag at the recent Winter Olympics in PyeongChang.
But it would be churlish not to also recognize the contribution of the “bad cop”: U.S. President Donald Trump, who has turned up the heat on North Korea with ever tighter rounds of sanctions, and badgered historic ally China to isolate the 25 million-strong Stalinist state.
“The Trump administration deserves credit for increasing the pressure and deepening even further the alienation between China and North Korea,” says Professor John Delury, an East Asia expert at Yonsei University in Seoul. “And globally, there have been a lot of bilateral relationships where Trump has put North Korea at the top of the agenda.”
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President Trump deserves “big credit” for talks between South Korea and North Korea this week, South Korean president Moon Jae-in told reporters Wednesday. “I want to show my gratitude,” he said.
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2. Their last missile launch was in November and their last nuke test was in September. They said at the time that they were "satisfied with their tests." I doubt they have any more testing to do, peace talks or not.
3. Donald would love nothing more that to say that he and he alone brought peace to Korea. Watch for him to be on his best behavior. But can he do it?
4. Moon did this. Him and the sanctions. The posturing, the name calling, the tweets and the threats were just for TV and to keep the stock market nervous.
In exchange for what? The dictator of a personality cult earns meeting with the leader of the free world... North Korea becomes Vietnam? Time to celebrateProfessor Fate wrote:Kim has asked to meet with Trump as soon as possible, and Trump has said he will do so by May. Kim also said N. Korea will stop testing nukes and missiles, and recognizes that the joint US S. Korean exercises will continue. He wants to talk about denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula.
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PS: To be clear -- we need to talk to North Korea. But Kim is not inviting Trump so that he can surrender North Korea's weapons. Kim is inviting Trump to demonstrate that his investment in nuclear and missile capabilities has forced the United States to treat him as an equal.
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Mildly humorous.John Q. Public wrote:QR_BBPOST by John Q. Public » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:21 pm
1. Are they going to wear name tags that say "Dotard" and "Rocket Man"?
2. I don't recall them saying they were "satisfied with their tests." They still need to show that they can send a warhead that can survive re-entry.
3. Donald would love nothing more that to say that he and he alone brought peace to Korea. Democrats are rooting for him to fail at this, even though it would be great for America if he succeeds.
4. Moon did this. Him and the sanctions. And who is responsible for ratcheting up the sanctions? Come on, you can say it, they all know.
Maybe you were just listening to Donald's version of the story but he said it in early December, after the last test.Professor Fate wrote:QR_BBPOST I don't recall them saying they were "satisfied with their tests."
And you can give credit to Donald for the sanctions if you want, but I'd go with Tillerson. Sanctions aren't Donald's style. My money says calmer heads at the State Department convinced him to at least give them a try. I wish we could just send Tillerson to meet with Kim instead of his boss. Tillerson actually knows what he's doing.
You really need to stop telling us what we want. You're never right, and you falsely imply that Democrats are as politically shallow as you are and that's just not true in most cases. This Democrat would be thrilled if the Korean threat were neutralized and I don't care who gets the credit.Professor Fate wrote:QR_BBPOST Democrats are rooting for him to fail at this, even though it would be great for America if he succeeds.
Let's hope it doesn't cost the taxpayers too much.
Exactly.Vilepagan wrote:You really need to stop telling us what we want. You're never right, and you falsely imply that Democrats are as politically shallow as you are and that's just not true in most cases. This Democrat would be thrilled if the Korean threat were neutralized and I don't care who gets the credit.
But let's admit that Trump is giving Rocketman the exact thing that he wants--recognition and respect. Now I'm not necessarily opposed to that--our current conservative-based policy on NK is as worthless as the policy regarding Cuba.
The next step is to officially recognize their government and get an actual peace treaty.
I agree 100%. For one day, can we just lay aside petty political differences and all hope something positive comes from this that will reduce nuclear tensions and posturing?Vilepagan wrote:Again, I don't give a rat's behind who gets credit for this fact.
If in fact trump intends to conduct these talks himself I see little reason for any hope whatsoever, but...The good news is that the Trump administration has adopted an approach toward North Korea that goes beyond trading insults, or missiles. They are going to talk.
The bad news? Donald Trump intends to do it himself.
“I’m elated and horrified at the same time,” said Jim Walsh, a senior research associate at the MIT Security Studies Program and a board member of the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation. “Elated because the parties are talking; horrified by the prospect of the two most unusual leaders in the world together in a room—what could possibly go wrong?”
As to how much "credit" is due trump for this seeming breakthrough...“My first reaction is: What is this meeting?” said John Plumb, a Navy submarine officer who served as a director of defense policy for the National Security Council under President Obama. “Because I can imagine a version of this meeting where everybody looks good by having a presidential-type meeting, and it doesn’t actually lead anywhere. You can see Kim Jung Un getting recognition on a world stage here, kind of a normalized head of state, Trump getting recognition for taking steps that haven’t been tried before and his willingness to throw himself into it, and if it doesn’t lead anywhere, frankly I think our president has himself pretty well covered ... because nobody really expects it to. That’s a meeting for appearances’ sake, and I don’t know how much value that has. But … why the hell not?”
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... un/555323/Such meetings between leaders of powerful nations are serious business with real consequences for millions. There’s a reason why they are normally held only after months or even years of tough, detailed negotiations. The president ordinarily arrives as the closer. But there will be little time for any such preparation before a Trump-Kim summit, now tentatively booked for May. And, as Scott Snyder of the Council of Foreign Relations told me, “Trump had already put all of his cards on the table for everyone to see.”
Kim, on the other hand, has been careful not to define what he wants from this meeting. Absent the miraculous change of heart described above, Kim is not going to give up his nuclear arsenal, nor is he likely to abandon his missile program—or submit to the kind of free inspections needed to ensure that he has done so (North Korea has famously cheated on such agreements in the past). The standoff between Washington and Pyongyang is long one. It has now spanned nine American presidencies and three generations of Kims. It is not about to crumble before Trump’s menace or charm.
We'll just have to wait and see if kim is looking for more than a PR win.