Credo ut intelligam wrote:Source of the post
Have some patience, friend. Actually, I posed some serious questions which people on both sides of these various issues should humbly consider. But if you can't imagine that there could be thoughtful disagreement and are just looking for a "gotcha" opportunity then your snarky response makes sense.
Obviously there's no proof-text from the Bible that prohibits making cakes for same-sex weddings; that's not how Christian morality works. It's not simply a mindless recitation of the Bible, which itself is not meant as an all-encompassing guide to every possible life dilemma. It provides the foundation. Just as there is no mention of abortion or same-sex marriage in the Constitution, principles from scripture and the natural law can be adduced to support the baker's unwillingness to lend support to what he believes to be immoral. He has stated numerous times that he is happy to and has made cakes and pastries for everyone--gay, straight, transgendered, whatever. It is the particular message that he objects to. Some people simply cannot tolerate that--thus the place where he finds himself.
You don't need to consult the Bible to know that men are men and women are women, and that marriage throughout all of human history and civilization has been between a man and woman. You want to call yourself something else, that's your business. It's a free country. And now it's legal to marry someone of the same sex. But I also have the freedom from being forced to accept and celebrate your rejection of the natural law and scripture, which ideas and choices violate fundamental Christian beliefs about the design of the creation and how we are called to live in loving communion with God. This is religious freedom. Live and let live runs both ways. And the Supreme Court seems to agree.
If you want some scripture that addresses Christian teaching and belief about the nature of marriage and the unchangeable reality of our creation as either male or female, then here are the foundational texts:
Genesis 1:27 - God created mankind in his image; in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
Genesis 2:18-24 - The LORD God said: It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suited to him. So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name. The man gave names to all the tame animals, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be a helper suited to the man. So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. The LORD God then built the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman. When he brought her to the man, the man said: “This one, at last, is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; This one shall be called ‘woman,’ for out of man this one has been taken.” That is why a man leaves his father and mother and clings to his wife, and the two of them become one body.
Matthew 19:3-6 - Some Pharisees approached (Jesus), and tested him, saying, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause whatever?” He said in reply, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate.”
I'd be happy to engage in a respectful discussion on this issue. Cherry-picked snark...not interested.