Competitive equity is tough in the lower divisions.......man......

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Competitive equity is tough in the lower divisions.......man......

Postby Doody thang » Fri May 24, 2019 4:44 pm

One good year totally screws you for years to come



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Re: Competitive equity is tough in the lower divisions.......man......

Postby SoCalFball » Fri May 24, 2019 4:44 pm

And in Division 1/2 everyone is making the playoffs lol crazy

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Re: Competitive equity is tough in the lower divisions.......man......

Postby SK80 » Fri May 24, 2019 5:02 pm

Who has the updated divisional list I see tweets Los AL, CDM and Grace Brethren in D3 --:--

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Re: Competitive equity is tough in the lower divisions.......man......

Postby SK80 » Fri May 24, 2019 5:04 pm

Add La Habra in D3 as well as Edison moving down from D2. WE got everybody in the D3 house!

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Re: Competitive equity is tough in the lower divisions.......man......

Postby SK80 » Fri May 24, 2019 5:15 pm

DIVISION 1 / 2

(24 schools)

Mater Dei

St. John Bosco

Oaks Christian

Mission Viejo

Orange Lutheran

JSerra

Centennial/Corona

Upland

Bishop Amat

Chaminade

Serra

Rancho Cucamonga

San Clemente

Murrieta Valley

Vista Murrieta

Valencia/Valencia

Calabasas

Santa Margarita

Servite

Norco

LB Poly

Sierra Canyon

Notre Dame/SO

Rancho Verde

DIVISION 3

(18 schools)

Grace Brethren

Cajon

Heritage

Edison

Westlake

Tesoro

Cathedral

Paraclete

Alemany

Capistrano Valley

St. Francis

La Habra

Redlands East Valley

Santiago/Corona

Moorpark

Los Alamitos

Lawndale

Corona del Mar


DIVISION 4

(20 schools)

Villa Park

Bishop Diego

Roosevelt/Eastvale

San Juan Hills

Paramount

Downey

Hart

Palos Verdes

South Hills

Murrieta Mesa

Damien

Camarillo

Paloma Valley

La Mirada

Loyola

Yucaipa

Charter Oak

El Toro

Chaparral

Great Oak


DIVISION 5

(21 schools)

Glendora

Oak Hills

Lompoc

Citrus Hill

Newbury Park

Saugus

St. Paul

Yorba Linda

Oxnard

Colony

Aquinas

St. Bonaventure

Etiwanda

Chino Hills

Corona

Culver City

Mayfair

Antelope Valley

El Modena

Diamond Ranch

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Re: Competitive equity is tough in the lower divisions.......man......

Postby insidetrinity » Fri May 24, 2019 6:18 pm

really weird to me that oaks jserra mission viejo and olu all got more points in the system than centennial. also weird that they are calling it d1 and not open like i thought they would.

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Re: Competitive equity is tough in the lower divisions.......man......

Postby daddyooo » Fri May 24, 2019 9:36 pm

another thing that surprised me was OLu being ranked ahead of JSerra.

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Postby SoCalFball » Sat May 25, 2019 5:35 am

Couple of points

1. I think they are calling it D1 instead of Open that way the runner up doesn’t have a chance to go to State. In the Open division format you can take runner up.

2. I know some people are surprised that the formula had certain teams above others. It really doesn’t matter because it will all play out come season time and some teams will move up and other move down. (Ex Centennial will be top 3)

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Re: Competitive equity is tough in the lower divisions.......man......

Postby SK80 » Sat May 25, 2019 6:44 am

Here for reference are all the rolling numbers for 2017 and 2018 which place these teams for 2019....

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Re: Competitive equity is tough in the lower divisions.......man......

Postby hit the lights » Sat May 25, 2019 7:18 am

Yup this looks about right, i guess.? I mean you do have to win to move up and if you dont you get moved down.
Last season, La Habra was in every game vs all the d-1 teams, Upland, MV, Calabasas, Notre Dame.
They are looking real good right now, and i see D-3 as a good tough and probably on par with those teams above.
LH
Los Al
Cathedral
Alemany
Grace Brethran
CDM
LAWNDALE

LH vs Los Al final???

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Postby SK80 » Sat May 25, 2019 7:28 am

D3 looks tough, with vast equity from top to bottom. Not sure where the inland schools are at the moment but never count out Heritage and Cajon, REV and Santiago. These schools bring size and speed. Westlake actually has the strongest power points coming in from 2018, they will be a tough out. Looks to me in D3 the playoffs will be about even from the opening games.

There seems to be a big drop at D4.

And I have to say it about my rival, not in a nasty way but Newport Harbor has SUNK to D9! :eh?:

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Postby hit the lights » Tue May 28, 2019 5:38 am

I guess San Clemente got alot of street cred by beating MV last year. Ortiz is happy now, but when he goes one in done in the first round vs a Bosco again, they will be dropped like a bad habit. Cant believe they are still in D-1??

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Postby SoCalFball » Tue May 28, 2019 7:32 am

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Re: Competitive equity is tough in the lower divisions.......man......

Postby SoCalFball » Tue May 28, 2019 8:05 am

hit the lights wrote:I guess San Clemente got alot of street cred by beating MV last year. Ortiz is happy now, but when he goes one in done in the first round vs a Bosco again, they will be dropped like a bad habit. Cant believe they are still in D-1??

They will not be playing Bosco because more then likely they wont make D1 rather D2 which they would avoid the Big 3.

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Postby dont be that guy » Tue May 28, 2019 8:11 am

That is the point of the new system. San Clemente is an excellent program but they have no business playing Bosco/MD in the playoffs. It turns out that MV doesn't have any business playing them either. Division 1 will be Bosco/MD and everyone else hoping for a punchers chance. Division 2 is where the actual competition will be. Some combo of San Clemente, Rancho Cuc, SM, Servite, Calabassas, Sierra Canyon, Chaminade, and Serra in Division 2 is way more interesting than 40 point blowout losses to the big 3 in Division 1.

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Postby SK80 » Tue May 28, 2019 8:16 am

So maybe we have a good system now the OPEN will be the top 8 w/ the best of Trinity (unbeatable at this point by any public) with only the top 1 or 2 publics with that punchers chance (not) and the new D2 will be very competitive top to bottom as it appears D3 is now too.

So in an imperfect system we might be a little closer to playoff parody as I see it now at the top 3 of 14 divisions.

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Postby SoCalFball » Tue May 28, 2019 9:40 am

So if i understood correctly how the CIF new playoff system based off of wild card formula. A 2018 season mock up would be
Division 1
1. Bosco
8. Mission Viejo

4. Oaks Christian
5. Jserra

3. Mater Dei
6. Bishop Amat

7. OLU
2. Centennial


So that would leave Notre Dame, Servite, Norco, Serra, San Clemente, Calabasas, Santa Margarita, Chaminade, Rancho Verde, Vista Murrieta, Rancho Cucamonga, Murrieta Valley, Upland, Sierra Caynon, Valencia and LB Poly as the rest of the teams in D2. Pretty good division imo.

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Re: Competitive equity is tough in the lower divisions.......man......

Postby FriarJoe » Tue May 28, 2019 4:58 pm

D2 is going to be where the interesting action is. There will be some honor to being D1, but does anyone really want to be the number 7 or 8 team and be assured of a 40 point first round loss? I’d rather be 10/11 and have a shot at a ring. Either way, the new change is an improvement.

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Re: Competitive equity is tough in the lower divisions.......man......

Postby dont be that guy » Tue May 28, 2019 6:17 pm

Could you imagine teams tanking their last games (or resting starters) to stay out of the 7th or 8th seed?

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Postby SK80 » Tue May 28, 2019 6:32 pm

Yes if you find yourself on that bubble and facing the 1 seed...... maybe better to lose your last game.... common thinking. However I would point to this season LA Clippers whom shoulda tanked and didn't, ended up 8 seed against all odds only to be predicted to be swept against the Warriors. Clippers gave the Warriors all they could handle, in fact more that the Rockets or Blazers did. The Clippers in one action, not backing down gained a street credit chip. Watch the FA's flock to this franchise.

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