2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

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2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby Domingo » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:15 am

Santa Margarita beat San Clemente in the CIF Pac5 Final that season with a team of great local Santa Margarita players including QB Johnny Stanton. That Eagles team lost 2 league games (Mater Dei and Servite) and barely beat SJB by 8 points. Every league game was a battle and schools weren't shuttling in kids from the I.E. and Los Angeles to play football and attend their schools for a flat rate of $200/month. Today Championships are recruited and paid for. There's no disputing that. Was this 2011 Santa Margarita Team the last legitimate, non-paid for Champion of the Pac5?



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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby SoCalFball » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:22 am

What about when Cen10 won back to back in 14/15?

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby watchersince68 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:26 am

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby aberamsey » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:45 am

This board is like groundhog day, every couple of months getting into the pointless conversation about the new reality of high school football in Southern California as it relates to Bosco/MD and now JSerra. I think everyone agrees that the transfer game is out of control and these changes aren't all good. That being said though, in all the negative news I think it's important to remember that these school are also giving lower income and minority students the opportunity to get a great education and the chance to play football (and other sports) at a very high level. For all the stories we hear of players leaving, getting suspended, etc, there are other stories of the "bussed in kids" receiving opportunities they may not have had at their home schools. While there are unfortunate situations where kids/parents may be using the school solely for athletic purposes and then leaving soon after, there are also cases like DJ Bailey who had a "scholarship" to JSerra for four years and ended up at Harvard University. Not every student athlete is going to fully realize the opportunity they are given from these scholarships, but many do.

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby OCurbanlegend » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:20 am

perfectly said....

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby OCurbanlegend » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:25 am

SoCalFball wrote:What about when Cen10 won back to back in 14/15?


Cen10 does not count because there are clearly no Catholics on the squad so they can't be a legitimate Champion. There can't be any Catholics on Cen10 squad because they have to many minorities on the team and they are in the I.E. Everyone knows there are NO minority kids that are Catholic in the I.E. just ask Domingo he's an expert on the subject. :lol:

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby Domingo » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:54 am

aberamsey wrote:That being said though, in all the negative news I think it's important to remember that these school are also giving lower income and minority students the opportunity to get a great education and the chance to play football (and other sports) at a very high level. For all the stories we hear of players leaving, getting suspended, etc, there are other stories of the "bussed in kids" receiving opportunities they may not have had at their home schools. While there are unfortunate situations where kids/parents may be using the school solely for athletic purposes and then leaving soon after, there are also cases like DJ Bailey who had a "scholarship" to JSerra for four years and ended up at Harvard University. Not every student athlete is going to fully realize the opportunity they are given from these scholarships, but many do.


Wow! Talk about a racist comment. Essentially minorities, blacks and Samoans in this case, should be thankful and grateful to the local Catholic Schools for shuttling them into the OC from the poor and run-down neighborhoods in the I.E. and L.A. that they call home because this is their only chance for a great (and free) education. Blacks and Samoans couldn't get a great education anywhere else and thankfully the generous White Catholics are so kindly saving them and offering these poor minorities a better life. Are you listening to yourself Mr. White Privilege??

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Cha

Postby Luca » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:12 pm

Domingo wrote:Was this 2011 Santa Margarita Team the last legitimate, non-paid for Champion of the Pac5?


I’ve wondered that myself sometimes, Domingo. I think there two kids who did not enroll as freshman on the team. One was a wide receiver and the other was a back up running back, both sophomores. When that class of 2012 initially enrolled, the Santa Margarita varsity had been in a slump for several years, below .500 as I recall. So they hadn’t signed up to “play for a winner.“ As a result, that was an interesting playoffs to watch as there multiple competitive games and several possible winners.

I can’t be certain, but I remember being told by MDDad that there were 20+ transfers on at least one and presumably both of those Centennial teams. I could be wrong. And of course the subsequent championship teams have more of the “high school affiliated” teams, rather than actual traditional high school football squads. Your point is well taken.

DJ Bailey, by the way, had the highest entrance exam score in the entire freshman class and that’s why he received a scholarship, sans apostrophes. Harvard generally except serious students.

As an aside, I don’t think I would consider the current trend a manifestation of chivalry
or altruism. It seems unlikely that the schools in question were blessed with a sudden burst of virtue circa 2010. Most of us recognize the reality that the recent change is a result of schools wanting to win football games using players who would otherwise have been playing at a different school. There’s not enough lipstick in Beverly Hills to put on that pig................Luca

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby BuckW » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:25 pm

The majority of the pay for play schools will be playing in the CIF Division of 8 teams this season. It was actually a smart move by CIF to group those eight together. Let the IMG schools compete against each other leaving Division 2 for the true high school championship. The next move should be to put these schools in the same league. Make it the IMG West league with Bosco, MD, Oaks Christian, Corona Centennial, Jserra and Mission Viejo.

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby OCurbanlegend » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:39 pm

What did Mission Viejo and Corona Centennial do besides coach their kids well enough that if you are going to go to public school why not there?

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby OCurbanlegend » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:41 pm

Luca wrote:I’ve wondered that myself sometimes, Domingo. I think there two kids who did not enroll as freshman on the team. One was a wide receiver and the other was a back up running back, both sophomores. When that class of 2012 initially enrolled, the Santa Margarita varsity had been in a slump for several years, below .500 as I recall. So they hadn’t signed up to “play for a winner.“ As a result, that was an interesting playoffs to watch as there multiple competitive games and several possible winners.

I can’t be certain, but I remember being told by MDDad that there were 20+ transfers on at least one and presumably both of those Centennial teams. I could be wrong. And of course the subsequent championship teams have more of the “high school affiliated” teams, rather than actual traditional high school football squads. Your point is well taken.

DJ Bailey, by the way, had the highest entrance exam score in the entire freshman class and that’s why he received a scholarship, sans apostrophes. Harvard generally except serious students.

As an aside, I don’t think I would consider the current trend a manifestation of chivalry
or altruism. It seems unlikely that the schools in question were blessed with a sudden burst of virtue circa 2010. Most of us recognize the reality that the recent change is a result of schools wanting to win football games using players who would otherwise have been playing at a different school. There’s not enough lipstick in Beverly Hills to put on that pig................Luca


No you are right, ALL those kids on that Santa Margarita team were from the local draw area of Santa Margarita HS. And yes Catholic Schools themselves do have a local draw area for their school. Ridiculous...

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby BuckW » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:48 pm

Mission Viejo has more junior and senior transfers this year than MD and the quarterback's Dad has not stopped recruiting. He is still calling the parents of SM players. Nenad was just his latest success.

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby RPW » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:20 pm

Domingo wrote:Source of the post Wow! Talk about a racist comment. Essentially minorities, blacks and Samoans in this case, should be thankful and grateful to the local Catholic Schools for shuttling them into the OC from the poor and run-down neighborhoods in the I.E. and L.A. that they call home because this is their only chance for a great (and free) education. Blacks and Samoans couldn't get a great education anywhere else and thankfully the generous White Catholics are so kindly saving them and offering these poor minorities a better life. Are you listening to yourself Mr. White Privilege??

Where's RPW and Red when you need them?!? We have a racist on our hands!!



Is the religious affiliation of each player listed in their bio?
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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby Domingo » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:47 pm

No clue RPW. I don't think I've even seen a player's religion on their bio. Back to my question sir. Are you not offended by the notion that minorities need the 'ol Catholic Church for a "good education"? You seem to be concerned about racism being spewed on this board, did that comment not offend you? Blacks and Samoans should be grateful for the opportunity being offered to them by the majority White Catholic Church and her sponsors?

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby Domingo » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:50 pm

Luca wrote:I’ve wondered that myself sometimes, Domingo. I think there two kids who did not enroll as freshman on the team. One was a wide receiver and the other was a back up running back, both sophomores. When that class of 2012 initially enrolled, the Santa Margarita varsity had been in a slump for several years, below .500 as I recall. So they hadn’t signed up to “play for a winner.“ As a result, that was an interesting playoffs to watch as there multiple competitive games and several possible winners.

I can’t be certain, but I remember being told by MDDad that there were 20+ transfers on at least one and presumably both of those Centennial teams. I could be wrong. And of course the subsequent championship teams have more of the “high school affiliated” teams, rather than actual traditional high school football squads. Your point is well taken.

DJ Bailey, by the way, had the highest entrance exam score in the entire freshman class and that’s why he received a scholarship, sans apostrophes. Harvard generally except serious students.

As an aside, I don’t think I would consider the current trend a manifestation of chivalry
or altruism. It seems unlikely that the schools in question were blessed with a sudden burst of virtue circa 2010. Most of us recognize the reality that the recent change is a result of schools wanting to win football games using players who would otherwise have been playing at a different school. There’s not enough lipstick in Beverly Hills to put on that pig................Luca
You are 100% correct Luca. The 2011 SM Eagle Team was the last legitimate Champion we'll probably ever see. The next year it all changed when Bosco did away with all their home grown players and the Lakewood kids were purchased. Mater Dei followed Negro and now the entire Trinity League.

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby RPW » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:04 pm

Its more about community dynamics and opportunity. Would you not agree the quality of education in some areas pale in comparison to those schools? You have exceptions to the rule but for the most part kids in certain areas will not make it without help.

You don't know the religion of these kids but are bashing them for being non-catholic. Fairmont Prep has minority kids from outside of the neighborhood area. Did you check on their religious status?
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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby OCurbanlegend » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:39 pm

Domingo wrote:You are 100% correct Luca. The 2011 SM Eagle Team was the last legitimate Champion we'll probably ever see. The next year it all changed when Bosco did away with all their home grown players and the Lakewood kids were purchased. Mater Dei followed Negro and now the entire Trinity League.


So you are saying that on the SM Championship team that none of the kids came from as far away as kids from Lakewood coming to Bosco? Uhhh Lakewood is not very far from Bellflower but you probably did not realize that...

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby Luca » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:16 pm

By “homegrown” I think he’s referring to kids who weren’t athletic transfers or recruited to the school. He didn’t say “none of the kids”. As was pointed out, one starter transferred in...................Luca

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby BuckW » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:57 pm

OCurbanlegend you must be new to OC football. Mission Viejo was the first to master the transfer game and taking in players from outside their attendance boundaries. It all started about 20 years ago when Bob Johnson took over the program. His first big transfer was Billy Hart out of Foothill followed by Jordan Palmer, Jed Collins and Mark Sanchez out of Santa Margarita. Two of Bob's biggest takes were the Moline Brothers from Dana Hills and the Reuland Brothers out of San Juan Capistrano. Over the last two decades I can't think of a single starting QB at Mission Viejo that wasn't a transfer or a player from outside their attendance boundaries. Even the grandson didn't reside in the boundaries. This model of using transfers to build their program continues with Chad Johnson. Three of the last four starting QBs at MV have been transfers from Trinity League schools.

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Re: 2011 Santa Margarita Eagles - Last Legitimate D1/Pac5 Champion?

Postby hocyouthguy » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:38 pm

OCurbanlegend wrote:Cen10 does not count because there are clearly no Catholics on the squad so they can't be a legitimate Champion. There can't be any Catholics on Cen10 squad because they have to many minorities on the team and they are in the I.E. Everyone knows there are NO minority kids that are Catholic in the I.E. just ask Domingo he's an expert on the subject. :lol:


Yeah, quite the expert. I'm a MD grad, white, and didn't play a single sport. Not one. Wasn't good enough. Oh, and I'm NON-CATHOLIC. Yes, we're there, Domingo, you sanctimonious buffoon. So were plenty of kids who couldn't afford it and DIDN'T participate in athletics. Your hate is getting really old. Take it somewhere else.

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