Who was better?

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Who was better?

Postby haywallz43 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:58 am

Settle an argument between my two friends. They both were QBs of the same high school team, and I actually now wanna know which one is better. I’m gonna give a brief overview of both of them. Give me your honest answer. Im pretty biased towards 2012 because I played with him. 12’ had slightly better receivers, 14’ slightly better running backs. So we need some help, which one was better? I’m only providing their senior season stats for various reasons. 12’ has a slightly flashier highlight tape.

2012: 2nd team all conference
2014: Not all conference

Strengths of QBs:
2012: Arm strength, Athleticism
2014: Accuracy, Football IQ

Overview:

2012: Duel Threat QB
-2.5 year starter. He was on a bad team his sophomore year (3-7) and was OK at best, was jus flat out bad his junior year (3TDs,7INT, 600 yards-46% comp.) was benched for a couple games mid season. Team finished 6-4 missed playoffs.
-team ran a run oriented pistol scheme. Ran a decent amount of information though.
-his RBs had 212 carries

2012 Season stats: Captain (5-5)

Passing:
79/151-(52%)-1167yds-8TDs/14INTs-(116 QBR/59 Passer Rating) (0/2 two point conv.) (7.7 YPA)

Rushing: 114/290/2TDs/2 Fumb/ 2.5 YPC
(1 rush TD was 1 yard QB sneak.)

2014: (pocket passer)
-1 year starter (JV/Backup QB soph/junior year)
-played in pro style I formation offense (70/30 Run)
-his RBs had 345 carries

2014 season stats: Captain
88/141-(62%)-1059yds-6TDs/5INTs-(132 QBR/84 passer Rating)
(1/1 2 pt Conversions, it was a 2 pt throw to tie the game with 1:00 left.)(7.5 YPA)

Rushing: 23/-27/0TDs/0Fumbles

Highlights available upon request



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Re: Who was better?

Postby Playthegame » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:01 am

WhoTF are we talking about?

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Re: Who was better?

Postby haywallz43 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:32 pm

Random kids you wouldn’t know. Just trying to get an unbiased look

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Re: Who was better?

Postby insidetrinity » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:04 pm

Just based on this info I’d say the 2014 kid. But neither of them come off as great from what you’ve given us

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Re: Who was better?

Postby Al Koholik » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:12 am

A better HS QB or a better college prospect? COMPLETELY different assessment criteria. Neither of which is complete without film.
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Re: Who was better?

Postby outsider » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:18 am

Al Bundy, Polk High.

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Re: Who was better?

Postby WantTheNFLBack714 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:21 am

if I recall correctly, the only other QB who put up better numbers, stats, than JT Danies in High School, was Jake Browning of Folsom right?"

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Re: Who was better?

Postby Playthegame » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:48 am

76 TD's in one season....JB threw 4 in SBC game...as I recall...

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Re: Who was better?

Postby WantTheNFLBack714 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:23 am

just posting that to see if I remember correctly, so yes, Jake Browning's stats, numbers, yardage, were higher than JT Daniels, but correct me if i'm wrong, JT Daniels was ranked higher in terms of college recruits-wise?

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Re: Who was better?

Postby 2002tony » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:02 am

Jake did put up big numbers but there has to be a big * asterisk by that.
One reason is Folsom played a lot of teams that were not at their level of play, another reason is Jake never came of of a game no matter the score or how big the blowout and kept passing. Jake was a backup QB in his Freshman season and started every game from his Sophomore year on.

Throwing TD passes even when it was already a blow out, even in the last few min of a game when it was a blow out. Not uncommon in a blow out Folsom would have 50 plays - 35 passing for 550 yrds and 15 plays running for 50 yds. score 60 to 6...that was typical in a blowout...yes there were games where it may have had more 50 50 for plays between run and pass but Folsom basically lived by the pass. just like blowing one team out 63 -6 and Jake passed the ball 28 times for 8 TDs to just 6 run plays for Folsom in the game.

Jake had lots of 400 to 500 (or more) yards passing in a game, but just who it was against and lots of yards in what should have been garbage time he was still in the game racking up yards and TD passes.

It was not until Jakes Sr yr and in the first playoff game ( another blowout) that Folsom finally had a backup QB attempt a pass. Big numbers yes, but he stayed in games throwing the ball in blowouts against much weaker teams throughout his 3 year career.

There is a big difference between the opponents that JT played against week in and week out and when in a game he was making a difference in the scoring. (and he didnt rack up lots of numbers in garbage time either unlike Jake and Folsom)
just my take on it...
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Re: Who was better?

Postby 2002tony » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:38 am

haywallz,
based on what you have given, the '14 is a better QB. Yardage may be close, attempts and completions may be close, but '12 QB cant keep giving the ball away at 3x the rate as the other and say he is a better QB.

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Re: Who was better?

Postby 2002tony » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:46 am

Playthegame wrote:76 TD's in one season....JB threw 4 in SBC game...as I recall...

I know that 76 looks like a big number but throwing TD after TD in blow outs against teams that are way weaker, and two he should not have been in the game little alone still passing and throwing TD passes in what was already a blowout.

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Re: Who was better?

Postby WantTheNFLBack714 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:00 am

I guess its safe to say, JT Daniels is the best HS QB the state of CA has ever produced.

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Re: Who was better?

Postby 2002tony » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:16 am

I dont know if you can ever say "the best ever" about any one player. There will always be an argument for another player with numbers that can show they can produce at their own position. (Running backs Wide Receivers or Tight Ends included or any player on the defensive side of the ball).

In the case for Jake for instance if you put him on the MD team, he may have done just as well as JT and there is no telling if you put JT on the Folsom team that he would have done the same, but there is the chance that neither of them would have done as well either, saying that the other would have been better. There have been lots of great QBs in the history of calif.

So there is no way of knowing if any of those other QBs throughout the past history would have done just as well or even better then JT if you put those QBs on the same MD team. You have to remember that he has played with one of the best total team put together and just what other QBs might have accomplished with the same team is unknown.

Jimmy Clausen from Oaks Christian had similar numbers. He and Oaks never lost a football game from his Sophomore year thru his Sr ( he was 42-0 as a starter). Oaks won 95% or more of their games in blowouts as Oaks and HC Bill Redell had constructed a DIV 1 type of team from its beginnings that played against small schools with the caliber of Div 12 type of teams. Jimmy was obviously a very talented high school QB winning the Hall trophy for the Best High School football player in the USA , was USA Today offensive player of the year, Parade co player of the year and also was also considered to be a "once in a decade" QB and no 1 college prospect in 2007, he went on to play for Notre Dame and then was drafted by the Carolina Panthers.

Could Jimmy not be considered "the best that the state has produced" ? it will always be debatable because the criticism of him is that he was also a product of the team he played on that had several D1 players on it that played against much lessor inferior competition. Another issue was his age as he was 19 in September of his senior year of football. Lots of people were critical of his age just as they are today about other players today.

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